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No. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM
I think it just comes down to an overall portrayal in RJ's universe of a general state of reality in his universe, in which males need to get ahead or gain status by showing fighting prowess or demonstrating/exercising their strength, while females get ahead or gain status by showing cunning and increased intelligence.

As a result, the male upper tiers are weighted towards men who possess one factor, while the female upper tiers are weighted towards another factor. Both can achieve the dominant position in the overall hierarchy, but neither side possesses an overall advantage in the long run. After all, strategy is not the same thing as being successful as a general.

After studying "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, for example, the best victories were the ones in which the battlefield victory was determined before a battle was even fought - in this case, if Moghedien has defeated her opponents, and appropriated to herself their status, belongings and territories through superior cunning, it doesn't really matter if she was good at using her troops or accompanying them to the battlefield - the key word is "victory".

Ironically, strategically speaking, among the males named as the best generals are two that have permanently been defeated, one who was defeated by a far weaker opponent during a battle when his tactics should have given him a greater advantage and one is often criticized for planning such elaborate and risky maneouvers that often he was beaten or matched by opponents who didn't try to implement the "perfect plan" in order to gain recognition of genius.

It seems to me that the female Forsaken are the more skilled strategic and tactical thinkers - they're the ones surviving and most of them are concentrated on total victory rather than risking winning each battlefield just to lose the war.

"This person is a great general" doesn't necessarily mean much beyond a general statement that they have accomplished much on various battlefields. The "best generals" IMHO would be able to defeat their opponents before war was declared. So the terminology is rather vague - especially since we're not really aware of finer points of the duties of generals during the Age of Legends, nor the skills that were required.
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Are women really bad generals? - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1657 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 944 Views
No. - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1110 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1179 Views
Lol... too true - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1109 Views
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but you are difficult to please - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 878 Views
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You can't have it both ways.... - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 909 Views
Why not? - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 878 Views
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Yeah - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 901 Views
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I thought the same in the past... - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 858 Views
Gah! Hate! - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 871 Views
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Yeah, I can understand that! - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 698 Views
Unless... - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 917 Views
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Well, it's entirely hypothetical, - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 822 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 949 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 905 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 822 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 822 Views
Further... - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 867 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 811 Views
Just one point ^_^ - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 838 Views
nope - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 976 Views
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She says she's not, but so does Mat. - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 754 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 894 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 826 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 862 Views
true, but she does pretty good - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 903 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 780 Views
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A ship captain is like a calvary general - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 838 Views
Right. - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 834 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 963 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 883 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 800 Views
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um - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1150 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 962 Views
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