Active Users:2311 Time:02/05/2026 06:18:53 AM
No. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM
I think it just comes down to an overall portrayal in RJ's universe of a general state of reality in his universe, in which males need to get ahead or gain status by showing fighting prowess or demonstrating/exercising their strength, while females get ahead or gain status by showing cunning and increased intelligence.

As a result, the male upper tiers are weighted towards men who possess one factor, while the female upper tiers are weighted towards another factor. Both can achieve the dominant position in the overall hierarchy, but neither side possesses an overall advantage in the long run. After all, strategy is not the same thing as being successful as a general.

After studying "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, for example, the best victories were the ones in which the battlefield victory was determined before a battle was even fought - in this case, if Moghedien has defeated her opponents, and appropriated to herself their status, belongings and territories through superior cunning, it doesn't really matter if she was good at using her troops or accompanying them to the battlefield - the key word is "victory".

Ironically, strategically speaking, among the males named as the best generals are two that have permanently been defeated, one who was defeated by a far weaker opponent during a battle when his tactics should have given him a greater advantage and one is often criticized for planning such elaborate and risky maneouvers that often he was beaten or matched by opponents who didn't try to implement the "perfect plan" in order to gain recognition of genius.

It seems to me that the female Forsaken are the more skilled strategic and tactical thinkers - they're the ones surviving and most of them are concentrated on total victory rather than risking winning each battlefield just to lose the war.

"This person is a great general" doesn't necessarily mean much beyond a general statement that they have accomplished much on various battlefields. The "best generals" IMHO would be able to defeat their opponents before war was declared. So the terminology is rather vague - especially since we're not really aware of finer points of the duties of generals during the Age of Legends, nor the skills that were required.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
This message last edited by RugbyPlayingAshaman on 01/10/2009 at 07:45:04 PM
Reply to message
Are women really bad generals? - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1657 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 945 Views
No. - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1112 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1181 Views
Lol... too true - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1110 Views
And you guys whine about the lameness of RJ's villains? - 01/10/2009 09:41:54 PM 1187 Views
I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 916 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 896 Views
Re: Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice - 02/10/2009 03:48:13 PM 809 Views
but you are difficult to please - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 880 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please - 02/10/2009 03:46:56 PM 834 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please - 03/10/2009 06:17:21 AM 814 Views
But they are lame... they've done minimal damage to the Light - 02/10/2009 05:06:05 AM 820 Views
You can't have it both ways.... - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 910 Views
Why not? - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 880 Views
Re: Why not? - 02/10/2009 04:27:00 PM 798 Views
Re: Why not? - 03/10/2009 06:34:16 AM 881 Views
Re: Why not? - 03/10/2009 07:40:16 AM 851 Views
Re: Why not? - 03/10/2009 05:07:51 PM 827 Views
Yeah - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 903 Views
Re: Yeah - 01/10/2009 10:40:28 PM 884 Views
I thought the same in the past... - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 860 Views
Gah! Hate! - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 873 Views
Ah, come on... - 02/10/2009 04:41:37 PM 859 Views
No no, I was just being pouty that I haven't read the new stuff yet. - 02/10/2009 05:01:15 PM 859 Views
Yeah, I can understand that! - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 699 Views
Unless... - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 919 Views
Re: Unless... - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 955 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 824 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 951 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 906 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 823 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 823 Views
Further... - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 869 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 813 Views
Just one point ^_^ - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 839 Views
nope - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 976 Views
Re: nope - 01/10/2009 09:32:38 PM 1052 Views
Tylee Kirgan, Birgitte, and one other, Egeanin - 01/10/2009 09:47:00 PM 1257 Views
Birgitte's not a soldier though. - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 841 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 755 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 895 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 827 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 864 Views
true, but she does pretty good - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 904 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 781 Views
Egeanin or Leilwin - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 980 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 840 Views
Right. - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 836 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 965 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 885 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 802 Views
My opinion - 02/10/2009 01:30:12 AM 1280 Views
That's a poor excuse - 02/10/2009 11:59:42 AM 786 Views
That's a poor argument - 02/10/2009 04:02:53 PM 1047 Views
Re: That's a poor argument - 03/10/2009 04:26:55 AM 860 Views
I disagree - 02/10/2009 04:26:28 PM 863 Views
Re: I disagree - 02/10/2009 08:31:29 PM 1109 Views
Oh, puh-lease. - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 1025 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 03/10/2009 04:52:37 PM 853 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 752 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3328 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 918 Views
um - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1150 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 964 Views
Men and football. - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 885 Views
It's the only thing men are allowed to do in Randland - 02/10/2009 03:09:19 AM 890 Views
My thoughts - 02/10/2009 03:12:46 PM 789 Views
.... - 04/10/2009 03:38:44 AM 801 Views

Reply to Message