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No. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM
I think it just comes down to an overall portrayal in RJ's universe of a general state of reality in his universe, in which males need to get ahead or gain status by showing fighting prowess or demonstrating/exercising their strength, while females get ahead or gain status by showing cunning and increased intelligence.

As a result, the male upper tiers are weighted towards men who possess one factor, while the female upper tiers are weighted towards another factor. Both can achieve the dominant position in the overall hierarchy, but neither side possesses an overall advantage in the long run. After all, strategy is not the same thing as being successful as a general.

After studying "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, for example, the best victories were the ones in which the battlefield victory was determined before a battle was even fought - in this case, if Moghedien has defeated her opponents, and appropriated to herself their status, belongings and territories through superior cunning, it doesn't really matter if she was good at using her troops or accompanying them to the battlefield - the key word is "victory".

Ironically, strategically speaking, among the males named as the best generals are two that have permanently been defeated, one who was defeated by a far weaker opponent during a battle when his tactics should have given him a greater advantage and one is often criticized for planning such elaborate and risky maneouvers that often he was beaten or matched by opponents who didn't try to implement the "perfect plan" in order to gain recognition of genius.

It seems to me that the female Forsaken are the more skilled strategic and tactical thinkers - they're the ones surviving and most of them are concentrated on total victory rather than risking winning each battlefield just to lose the war.

"This person is a great general" doesn't necessarily mean much beyond a general statement that they have accomplished much on various battlefields. The "best generals" IMHO would be able to defeat their opponents before war was declared. So the terminology is rather vague - especially since we're not really aware of finer points of the duties of generals during the Age of Legends, nor the skills that were required.
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Are women really bad generals? - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1597 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 889 Views
No. - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1050 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1122 Views
Lol... too true - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1050 Views
And you guys whine about the lameness of RJ's villains? - 01/10/2009 09:41:54 PM 1066 Views
I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 856 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 832 Views
Re: Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice - 02/10/2009 03:48:13 PM 754 Views
but you are difficult to please - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 808 Views
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Re: but you are difficult to please - 03/10/2009 06:17:21 AM 757 Views
But they are lame... they've done minimal damage to the Light - 02/10/2009 05:06:05 AM 756 Views
You can't have it both ways.... - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 846 Views
Why not? - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 811 Views
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Re: Why not? - 03/10/2009 06:34:16 AM 822 Views
Re: Why not? - 03/10/2009 07:40:16 AM 769 Views
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Yeah - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 843 Views
Re: Yeah - 01/10/2009 10:40:28 PM 827 Views
I thought the same in the past... - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 799 Views
Gah! Hate! - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 809 Views
Ah, come on... - 02/10/2009 04:41:37 PM 799 Views
No no, I was just being pouty that I haven't read the new stuff yet. - 02/10/2009 05:01:15 PM 798 Views
Yeah, I can understand that! - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 651 Views
Unless... - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 851 Views
Re: Unless... - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 890 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 765 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 885 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 839 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 763 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 768 Views
Further... - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 798 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 753 Views
Just one point ^_^ - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 778 Views
nope - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 900 Views
Re: nope - 01/10/2009 09:32:38 PM 989 Views
Tylee Kirgan, Birgitte, and one other, Egeanin - 01/10/2009 09:47:00 PM 1195 Views
Birgitte's not a soldier though. - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 782 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 695 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 840 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 771 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 787 Views
true, but she does pretty good - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 836 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 712 Views
Egeanin or Leilwin - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 915 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 771 Views
Right. - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 773 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 900 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 810 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 743 Views
My opinion - 02/10/2009 01:30:12 AM 1207 Views
That's a poor excuse - 02/10/2009 11:59:42 AM 718 Views
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Oh, puh-lease. - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 963 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 03/10/2009 04:52:37 PM 788 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 678 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3259 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 853 Views
um - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1084 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 901 Views
Men and football. - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 822 Views
It's the only thing men are allowed to do in Randland - 02/10/2009 03:09:19 AM 812 Views
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