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Yeah Etzel Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM
I still can't understand Semirhage's plan. How did she think she could capture Rand while he was surrounded by the most powerful channelers alive? The only possibility is that she had prepared weaves to produce intense pain or death in some of the party, which would give her enough time to a'dam Rand, and perhaps use his strength to finish off the rest of the party. Osan'gar knew pain weaves like that, and I'm sure Semirhage could do ten times the damage. What a ridiculous gamble though.


I still don't understand how idiotic Semirhage could be to think that this plan could actually work. I mean besides several Forsaken already being killed by the Lightside, Rand & Co. just managed to give almost all Forsaken a sound defeat at the Cleansing (and two of their strongest, Rand & Nynaeve, didn't even participate in the battle). It's clear that Rand has super strong *angreal, he has female & male channelers to make circles and military elite troops. Nevertheless Semirhage apparently thinks that she can take Rand and his group by just bringing 6 common sul'dam & damane, who aren't even prepared to fight the Dragon Reborn. It seems that Semirhage somehow wanted to collar the whole group via a'dam. However, the a'dam are in some box in a house nearby, not even at hand. Then after she is discovered, Semirhage has no troops to support her in an emergency case, like Rand has of course. Instead of fleeing, she just throws a puny fireball at Rand and lets herself be captured. Moron..

This is why I think a non-general sent the Trollocs after Rand in KoD. It's the dumbest plan ever. There is no way that army could kill 30 Ashaman and Aes Sedai and a group of the deadliest channelers in the Light. Rand didn't lose a single channeler, and not even one of them got injured. For all this Forsaken knew, Rand could have used the Choedan Kal on this army - he certainly still has the male Access Key. This attack could thus only have been 'brilliantly' orchestrated by someone like Moghedien or Graendal. Demandred and Moridin almost exclude themselves because of the low IQ of this military blunder.


Agreed. In my view, it was most likely Graendal, but her intention was then also to deceive the other Forsaken by playing Sammael.
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Are women really bad generals? Sidious - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1657 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... Rand al'Thor - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 944 Views
No. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1110 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... Shannow - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1179 Views
Lol... too true Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1110 Views
And you guys whine about the lameness of RJ's villains? fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 09:41:54 PM 1186 Views
I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 914 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 894 Views
Re: Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:48:13 PM 808 Views
but you are difficult to please Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 878 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:46:56 PM 834 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:17:21 AM 812 Views
But they are lame... they've done minimal damage to the Light Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:06:05 AM 818 Views
You can't have it both ways.... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 909 Views
Why not? Sidious - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 880 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 04:27:00 PM 798 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:34:16 AM 879 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 03/10/2009 07:40:16 AM 850 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 05:07:51 PM 827 Views
Yeah Etzel - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 902 Views
Re: Yeah nossy - 01/10/2009 10:40:28 PM 882 Views
I thought the same in the past... Etzel - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 858 Views
Gah! Hate! nossy - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 871 Views
Ah, come on... Etzel - 02/10/2009 04:41:37 PM 857 Views
No no, I was just being pouty that I haven't read the new stuff yet. nossy - 02/10/2009 05:01:15 PM 857 Views
Yeah, I can understand that! Etzel - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 698 Views
Unless... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 918 Views
Re: Unless... Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 955 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, Fanatic-Templar - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 822 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 949 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 905 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 822 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops beetnemesis - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 822 Views
Further... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 867 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 811 Views
Just one point ^_^ RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 838 Views
Well, yeah. They're knowledgable and deadly in person. Generalship doesn't come into it. beetnemesis - 04/10/2009 12:09:50 AM 802 Views
nope nossy - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 976 Views
Re: nope Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:38 PM 1050 Views
Tylee Kirgan, Birgitte, and one other, Egeanin NaClH2O - 01/10/2009 09:47:00 PM 1257 Views
Birgitte's not a soldier though. Darth_Katie - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 840 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. nossy - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 754 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 894 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. nossy - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 827 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 862 Views
true, but she does pretty good NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 903 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. Darth_Katie - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 780 Views
Egeanin or Leilwin nossy - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 979 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 838 Views
Right. Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 834 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 963 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 883 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 800 Views
My opinion Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:30:12 AM 1278 Views
That's a poor excuse rAndy aL - 02/10/2009 11:59:42 AM 785 Views
That's a poor argument Cannoli - 02/10/2009 04:02:53 PM 1045 Views
Re: That's a poor argument rAndy aL - 03/10/2009 04:26:55 AM 859 Views
I disagree nossy - 02/10/2009 04:26:28 PM 861 Views
Re: I disagree Cannoli - 02/10/2009 08:31:29 PM 1109 Views
Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 1023 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 04:52:37 PM 851 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. NaClH2O - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 750 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3328 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" Cannoli - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 917 Views
And I can tell you're through when you've gotten to three+ insults per paragraph. nossy - 06/10/2009 05:46:24 PM 1007 Views
um nossy - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1150 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst RabidWombat - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 962 Views
Men and football. nossy - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 884 Views
She didn't kill anyone! Why SHOULD she feel guilty? She gave necessary orders. Cannoli - 06/10/2009 03:33:15 AM 952 Views
It's the only thing men are allowed to do in Randland CupofDice - 02/10/2009 03:09:19 AM 890 Views
My thoughts LordPerrin - 02/10/2009 03:12:46 PM 787 Views
.... Fantasy - 04/10/2009 03:38:44 AM 801 Views
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