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Right. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM
All three are pretty good military tacticians. And I imagine Tuon wouldn't be too bad either. I would imagine that there are also other female generals amongst the Seanchan, but we haven't seen them. In the westlands soldering is pretty much a male dominated occupation.

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Women still can't fight all that well in an era of muscle-powered weaponry. Few men would follow a commander who had never put her own butt on the line. Gareth Bryne and other generals had to earn their stripes, even if they were born to the nobility. Women like Elayne are the exceptions, because they represent a higher allegiance for their soldiers, but that is why Queens of Andor have both a professional military officer (Captain-General) and a personal champion/deputy (First Prince of the Sword) to handle the military aspects of rulership.

The Seanchan exceptions are due to their having institutionalized women in the military. Egeanin's mother was more or less the equivalent of the Chief of Staff of the Navy or Chief of Naval Operations. Women like Tylee have worked their way up to the top ranks and proven themselves, but there are few to no opportunities for wetlander women to do the same. The Aiel women similarly cannot advance, ironically because of their approach to gender equality. Since they give chiefs and roofmistresses equal but seperate duties, they need a mechanism for unifying that power and have chosen a family relationship as the means. Unless they are willing to let a Maiden marry a woman who can be roofmistress, a Maiden cannot rise to a command position. I would imagine a Maiden who was tactically adept might be given subordinate commands under a chief, but she could never be chief or battle-leader of a sept or hold, because that is tied up in the institution of marriage.
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Are women really bad generals? - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1657 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 944 Views
No. - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1110 Views
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Unless... - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 918 Views
Re: Unless... - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 955 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 822 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 950 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 905 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 822 Views
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Further... - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 868 Views
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nope - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 976 Views
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Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 895 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 827 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 863 Views
true, but she does pretty good - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 904 Views
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Well said. (And its short and to the point.) - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 964 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 884 Views
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um - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1150 Views
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