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What about Mat and Ituralde? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM
But this was using Nynaeve as an example - and she is notoriously not the best at channeling nor the best at fighting.

I'm going to take the easy road and just assume that RJ's statement "The best generals" as nebulous as it is means the same as "Lews Therin was the greatest man of his Age": just words to make the readers accord those characters with some aspect of respect.

I wasn't that impressed by any of the battles the Forsaken have taken part in, and I don't actually think RJ's strong suit is showing strategy or politics - he's more of a ground-level writer of combat engagements rather than a strategic, officer-level writer. It's really no disrespect to him, but it seems that he gets bored with writing about how a larger scale conflict would play out, preferring to concentrate on the immediate surroundings of his protagonists and a more limited POV.


I think Mat's campaign in Altara and Ituralde's campaign in Tarabon showed a lot of strategic insight. They were both campaign's were the end goal was not the immediate defeat of the enemy but to force the enemy to move in the direction the general wished.
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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Are women really bad generals? Sidious - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1700 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... Rand al'Thor - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 961 Views
No. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1135 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... Shannow - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1207 Views
Lol... too true Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1127 Views
And you guys whine about the lameness of RJ's villains? fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 09:41:54 PM 1204 Views
I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 936 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 915 Views
Re: Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:48:13 PM 827 Views
but you are difficult to please Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 900 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:46:56 PM 869 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:17:21 AM 841 Views
But they are lame... they've done minimal damage to the Light Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:06:05 AM 836 Views
You can't have it both ways.... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 930 Views
Why not? Sidious - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 896 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 04:27:00 PM 821 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:34:16 AM 900 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 03/10/2009 07:40:16 AM 877 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 05:07:51 PM 849 Views
Yeah Etzel - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 920 Views
Re: Yeah nossy - 01/10/2009 10:40:28 PM 908 Views
I thought the same in the past... Etzel - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 877 Views
Gah! Hate! nossy - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 894 Views
Ah, come on... Etzel - 02/10/2009 04:41:37 PM 871 Views
No no, I was just being pouty that I haven't read the new stuff yet. nossy - 02/10/2009 05:01:15 PM 876 Views
Yeah, I can understand that! Etzel - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 721 Views
Unless... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 943 Views
Re: Unless... Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 980 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, Fanatic-Templar - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 845 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 975 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 924 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 839 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops beetnemesis - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 843 Views
Further... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 885 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 829 Views
Just one point ^_^ RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 863 Views
Well, yeah. They're knowledgable and deadly in person. Generalship doesn't come into it. beetnemesis - 04/10/2009 12:09:50 AM 830 Views
nope nossy - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 1007 Views
Re: nope Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:38 PM 1067 Views
Tylee Kirgan, Birgitte, and one other, Egeanin NaClH2O - 01/10/2009 09:47:00 PM 1281 Views
Birgitte's not a soldier though. Darth_Katie - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 864 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. nossy - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 775 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 910 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. nossy - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 850 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 892 Views
true, but she does pretty good NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 923 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. Darth_Katie - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 797 Views
Egeanin or Leilwin nossy - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 1000 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 855 Views
Right. Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 853 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 983 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 908 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 826 Views
My opinion Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:30:12 AM 1320 Views
That's a poor excuse rAndy aL - 02/10/2009 11:59:42 AM 809 Views
That's a poor argument Cannoli - 02/10/2009 04:02:53 PM 1069 Views
Re: That's a poor argument rAndy aL - 03/10/2009 04:26:55 AM 880 Views
I disagree nossy - 02/10/2009 04:26:28 PM 891 Views
Re: I disagree Cannoli - 02/10/2009 08:31:29 PM 1135 Views
Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 1049 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 04:52:37 PM 876 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. NaClH2O - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 773 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3345 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" Cannoli - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 942 Views
And I can tell you're through when you've gotten to three+ insults per paragraph. nossy - 06/10/2009 05:46:24 PM 1026 Views
um nossy - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1169 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst RabidWombat - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 984 Views
Men and football. nossy - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 909 Views
She didn't kill anyone! Why SHOULD she feel guilty? She gave necessary orders. Cannoli - 06/10/2009 03:33:15 AM 979 Views
It's the only thing men are allowed to do in Randland CupofDice - 02/10/2009 03:09:19 AM 919 Views
My thoughts LordPerrin - 02/10/2009 03:12:46 PM 805 Views
.... Fantasy - 04/10/2009 03:38:44 AM 820 Views
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