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Re: You people are the insane ones fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 29/12/2015 02:13:32 PM

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I'm trying not to turn these into whole things,

What the hell is a whole thing?
but all you're doing is making ad hominem complaints.

Now? Yes. Because the only point I'm trying to make is that arguing with you about Egwene is pointless. I'm not refuting specific points you make by resorting to ad hominem attacks. I'm arguing that trying to refute anything is meaningless, when it comes to this issue.
Nor am I exclusively citing events portrayed by Sanderson,

Nice straw man. I never accused you of any such thing.
What did I distort or misrepresent, from a factual standpoint?

Just as an example:


Saerin actually displayed greater leadership during the crisis

This just makes no sense. Saerin took a small bunch of Aes Sedai, used her authority as a Sitter, and made them not panic and do a basic job of defending their position. Not close to bad, but how the heck is this comparable to converting a bunch of Novices into a coherent fighting force, teaching them advanced techniques at a time of panic and chaos, then using that knowledge to let them hold various defensive positions while she herself mounted the most effective offense?

And here's a distortion of facts:


while Egwene herself would take steps to ensure that no one could do what she did, by stashing the -greal where no one else could hastily grab them in an emergency.

How is this what she did? She saw a critical weakness in the protection of the Tower's most destructive weapons: in a chaotic situation where no one was paying attention to the wards, anyone could weave a Gateway and take what they want... including Forsaken. Worse, Egwene's actions have just let the cat out of the bag.

What do you want her to do? Do the equivalent of posting the nuclear codes on the internet for everyone to see so that in case of emergency someone can use them, never mind that someone can in fact cause the emergency by stealing a sa'angreal?

She had them hidden, and unlike Elaida, had no illusions of the Tower being invulnerable. In an emergency, the people in the know could access the sa'angreal and distribute them. We're not made privy to any emergency plans she put in place, Sanderson being Sanderson, but if you think it is in her character to not account for this possibility, then you are once again distorting and misrepresenting to suit your bias.

Here's another:


Her willingness to destroy herself because of her own sufferings degrades the nobility from the achievement, however.

This is a flat out lie. She overdrew because she was exactly matched with Taim. She needed the extra power to push through his Balefire. Once that was done, she could have released the Source and hoped that all that happened was that she burned out, and then Mat would have been left with 400 odd Sharan channelers to deal with, AND the world would have had a new Bore to contend with right as Rand was at the cusp of complete defeat in the Dark One's hands. Or she could draw in even more amounts of the OP, and destroy the Sharans and close the new hole in the Pattern in one swoop, consequences to herself be damned.

That she chose the latter is obvious. That you somehow find this selfish shows how desperately ridiculous your arguments are. They're pure swill, with no hint of rationality. I remember you once spun this as Egwene choosing a heroic death over living without power, and hence this was further proof of her megalomania! All this, of course, with no evidence in her PoV that she was even considering her own place in history or how this moment would be viewed! Isn't that textbook bias? You have concluded she is a megalomaniac, so of course she must be, so the lack of evidence doesn't matter, because... you said so?


You are the ones rabidly criticizing anyone who comments on that point as deranged and affecting some sort of moral superiority by dismissing someone out of hand, rather than engaging or even simply agreeing to disagree.

Yet another straw man. Please tell me where I said Egwene killing captured Aes Sedai was a good thing, or in character, for that matter. Where did I say that holding these positions makes you rabid?
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