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Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM
This blaming Elayne for not being omnipotent is really tiresome, considering it flys in the face of actual proven events.

Being omnipotent is not at all the same thing as stopping for a moment and deciding it might be a good idea to have someone on equal footing with a black sister check out the house before attacking. She could have easily let one of those "expendable" sisters try to find out information about the house Hark found before forming an inadequate invasion force. One of your points, about even awesome men not being up to such a task, means that it was very unlikely that Hark had seen all there was to see other than what they wanted him to see- therefore proving that rushing in there on his information alone was ridiculous. Not to mention trusting that a black ajah sister wasn't lying when she said there were only two of them. Hello.

And to be honest, when Elayne herself makes more than a few comments about her own "omni-potency," it's not all that odd that readers will treat her as though she acted that way. She not only claims that she will be fine because of Min's viewing, she also doesn't accept critiques of her plan from people who may very easily not be fine.


I am sorry but this is Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst. There is no way to know whether or not your method, given after the fact, would have worked any better. This is especially true since we have no idea how the other BA got there.

I don't understand why you are faulting Elayne for trusting the information about there only being two BA. (In my estimation that information ended up being true. The first group of BA obviously did not know the others were coming.) Lan said it best when he stated that a portion of courage is going forward even when you know you don't know all of the information.

Finally, I don't know why you are getting on Elayne's case about taking a risk with herself. Rand's risks make Elayne's look like a walk in the park. (And Rand risks the whole world when he risks himself.) For example in WH there is an, in my mind deliberate, parallel to this event when Rand raids the dark Asha'man place in Far Madding. Yet Rand's risk is FAR madder then Elayne's for he is informed by an unknown source AND there is reason to suspect there might be two more renegade Asha'man there beside them. And this is one of the smaller of Rand's mad risk taking. Twice he chases Forsaken into T'A'R and once he chased Samaael into Shadar Logoth. If you are going to get on Elayne's case then at least do the same for Rand.

Elayne obviously made a mistake, but how much of one is difficult to discern. She also obviously feels some guilt for it; otherwise she wouldn't tell herself that she is not feeling guilt for it. I think she is smart enough to learn from her mistake, whatever that mistake was.

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