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Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM
Because no one with even a shred of objectiveness in them, could discount what the Inn Keepers Daughter accomplished in this book.
Or had accomplished for her. Not to mention EVERY acheivement came at the expense of, or against, other women. So how is this a female issue?

Egwene took the fractured, corrupted mess that was the Aes Sedai before she arrived. She clensed the Black Ajah, and for the most part pulled all the various factions together.
She did not cleanse the Black Ajah - anyone could have done as much had Verin handed them the book. She was the one judged stupid enough to be a figurehead Amyrlin, so she was in a position to do what was needed, which is why Verin gave her the book. Anything less than what she did when given those books would be an inexcusable failure. Praising her or citing this as her achievement would be like calling someone a master craftsman because he assmebled a piece of furniture according to the instructions in the box. Here is a list of Darkfriends. Here is a method to prove an Aes Sedai (or any female channeler) is a Darkfriend. The penalty for being a Darkfriend has been death for over three thousand years. There might be some 12-year olds who would not be able to wrap up the purge given those same data and precedents, but they're all eating books on the short bus.

Egwene took a group of channelers that before she arrived, was at best useless, and at worst a knife in Rand's back.
Prove that they are not this now. Even knowing all the circumstances Egwene still plans to punish Rand for the Asha'man bonding sisters, on behalf of the women who created that useless mess. You cite what a disaster the Tower was, but the progenitrices of that disaster have Egwene as their champion and ally. Not only that, she was willing to do almost anything even potentially delay for a fatal length of time that so-vital reunification, rather than indirectly cause harm to the least of these bunglers. She goes on and on at length about the temerity of Elaida to remove any sister from the shawl, when I defy anyone to point out one iota of worthiness in Shemerin. Egwene, by her own claims, and now locked in by the equivalent of a campaign promise, will do all she can to defend Shemerin's superiority over normal people who are actually intelligent and competant!

Egwene now has a group that can be a powerful weapon for Rand. She now has the Aes Sedai moving forward towards Tarmon Gai'don.
She has them installing a window. There has been a lot of blather and promise about what she will do from readers on this site, with precious little evidence from Egwene herself. She has been rather short of specifics on what kind of aid she will actually give Rand, though she has certainly devoted considerable thought to how she will punish him for his followers defending themselves against sisters who were in violation of her precious Tower Law. She also plans to punish the ONLY sister from among her followers who has offered any help to Rand, even while admitting to herself that Nynaeve had every right to go with him. I don't doubt for narrative reasons that she will help him, I am just saying that if you did not know this is a book and how things must end, there is no proof in her characterization that she is aiming at that end.

Finally, before you go around make knee-jerk accusations of sexism, which are founded solely on your own unexamined sexist mindset, why don't you consider whether or not she is truly a strong woman. I do not believe she is, and that is the nature of my complaint with her - that she is falling short of that standard. My arguments against her have more to do with her shortcomings in that department and weaknesses. And while I am hardly her sole outspoken critic in this community, I defy you to identify anyone who has defended Elayne as much as I have. I wrote & posted thorough defenses of other genuinely strong women as well. My favorite female character is Nynaeve, whose real personal achievements far outstrip Egwene's windfalls.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2431 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 840 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 792 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 501 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 711 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 822 Views
Me too - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 879 Views
Exactly. - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 721 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 889 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 743 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 430 Views
Ahhh. - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 721 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 722 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 742 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 707 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1231 Views
Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 928 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 916 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 820 Views
General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 757 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 753 Views
Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 834 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 823 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 748 Views
so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 922 Views
You want a friend like Mat - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 729 Views
might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 676 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 774 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 781 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 698 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 772 Views
Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 757 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 786 Views
Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 883 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 801 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 864 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 753 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 762 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 728 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 707 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 799 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 868 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 698 Views
Re: Bah - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 831 Views
Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 677 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 732 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 808 Views
Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 693 Views
Well... - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 651 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 739 Views
Tar Valon is a nation - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 728 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 787 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 809 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 818 Views
Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 662 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 311 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 732 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 893 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 825 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 677 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 803 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 435 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 791 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 857 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 823 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 818 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 776 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 748 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 726 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 764 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 762 Views
Capture OR kill - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 799 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 714 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 701 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 446 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 764 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 711 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 901 Views

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