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Tar Valon is a nation Sidious Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM
Because no one with even a shred of objectiveness in them, could discount what the Inn Keepers Daughter accomplished in this book.

Egwene took the fractured, corrupted mess that was the Aes Sedai before she arrived. She clensed the Black Ajah, and for the most part pulled all the various factions together.

Egwene took a group of channelers that before she arrived, was at best useless, and at worst a knife in Rand's back.

Egwene now has a group that can be a powerful weapon for Rand. She now has the Aes Sedai moving forward towards Tarmon Gai'don.


It's fine to hate a character, but to not acknowledge a clear accomplishment on several levels is appalling. I hate Elayne, but I didn't struggle to see the merit in her acquisition of the Sun Throne.
When was that, BTW? The only throne I know of her having is the Lion Throne. There is also the fact that she had the right to it under law, and gained it in the lawful manner. She did not rebel against the lawful (however incompetnat or obnoxious) ruler, divide the nation and re-arrange every situation in her mind to redound to her credit, or blackmail the people she was supposed to be protecting into following her commands. She is also careful to stick within established rule and law, but willing to make expedient changes to deal with the threats of the day. Egwene adheres to things because the Tower has always done them that way, but tramples over accepted rules and standards to suit her purposes and advance her cause.


The Amyrlin Seat is the ruler of Tar Valon, which is an established nation with lands and claims. Egwene's battle is the same as Elayne's contest with her fellow nobles for the leadership. As an Aes Sedai, Egwene has the right to fight for the Amyrlin Seat.

Egwene is as legitimate as Elaida. Elaida was raised by Sitters, some of whom were from the Black Ajah. This makes the vote invalid and illegal. Egwene is also not a rebel - she was an Accepted in the Waste before being summoned by the Hall of the Tower in Salidar. You can even say that she is not a rebel because she is a registered Novice in the White Tower at the moment.

Egwene has the right to the Amyrlin Seat as much as Elayne has the right to the Lion Throne (not Sun Throne). All Aes Sedai have that right, they merely need to go through the steps and once the Hall raises them, they are legitimate. Egwene was raised without the consent of the Red Ajah which makes her an illegal Amyrlin, and Elaida was raised without the Blue and with the presence of the Black. Either Amyrlin is acceptable and thus the contest was inevitable.
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2732 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. redhand - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 1101 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 1054 Views
Agreed! *NM* Mats imaginary friend - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 629 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 978 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 1090 Views
Me too Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 1141 Views
Exactly. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 975 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 1156 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 1005 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 557 Views
Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 979 Views
Re: Ahhh. Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 974 Views
Re: Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 1025 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 972 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1523 Views
Everything up to tGS Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 1210 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 1177 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 1075 Views
General impression lately I guess. Seriana Sedai - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 989 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 1010 Views
Thanks. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 1111 Views
double post, hate my computer. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 1099 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is Lord o' Salv - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 960 Views
so I guess ... Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1212 Views
You want a friend like Mat TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 991 Views
Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM 573 Views
How so? What does he do that is detrimentally immature? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:05:07 AM 1008 Views
might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 930 Views
Re: might I add.. Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 1044 Views
Re: might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 1026 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 949 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws ajfurst - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 1062 Views
Like others don't have flaws? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 1001 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 1117 Views
Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 1188 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? thebestrob - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 1078 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 1104 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 1025 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 1026 Views
And you aren't? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 977 Views
Seems to me you're both right. Legolas - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 993 Views
Bah Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 1070 Views
wait a sec... scalius - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 1130 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. entyti - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 965 Views
Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM 553 Views
More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM 810 Views
Re: Bah Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 1094 Views
Rant on! Rant on! rho - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 939 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 986 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? LTArmstrong - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 1105 Views
Obviously. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 958 Views
I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM 450 Views
Well... Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 887 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 1005 Views
Tar Valon is a nation Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 1038 Views
The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM 1104 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument Legolas - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 1143 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 1075 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. Legolas - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 1076 Views
Hmm..... Sidious - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 914 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* Legolas - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 442 Views
Not a problem... fionwe1987 - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 990 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 1136 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen rho - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 1089 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 936 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 1085 Views
*snort* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 559 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 1049 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 1132 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 1096 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 1074 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 1057 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 1029 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 998 Views
I have one question Sidious - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 1029 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 1035 Views
Capture OR kill Sidious - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 1081 Views
Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her rho - 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM 930 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 930 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren rho - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 942 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 576 Views
I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much. Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM 1104 Views
I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills Asha'man - 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM 1155 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... Zeratul - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 1006 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 966 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite Zeratul - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1153 Views
Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz NaClH2O - 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM 900 Views
Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Cannoli - 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM 961 Views
Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Sidious - 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM 1095 Views
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