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Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM
I'm sure if I were to point out that Verin, someone even he is forced to respect to some extent, said that she was surprised and amazed at how well Egwene has done for herself, and that Egwene had riled up the Blacks, he'd call Verin an idiot, and say Egwene sucked anyway.
That is an inherently fallacious argument from authority. Why don't you point out a place where I ever claim a character is great or flawed because of another character's assessment. Secondly, what is Verin saying, other than noting Egwene's success? Anyone could see how far she had come. That does not make her any less of a scumbag. It is Cannoli here, not Sidious. You need more than success in gaining rank to mean anything to me.

He'll forget the fact that a book ago, he was claiming that Egwene was the greatest gift to the Shadow. But when she single handedly starts reversing the damage Mesaana and Alviarin have done to the Tower, and suddenly anyone could have healed that damage, and what she said was only common sense and not praiseworthy.
Yes, she does improve herself in this book. But her taking action anyone could take is not inconsistant with what I had said about her previous actions. There is absolutely nothing inconsistant, and the two things you cite have nothing to do with each other, nor are they mutually exclusive, EVEN IF they were true.

I'm sure you'll be reading this Cannoli. So let me just say this... not one of the main characters has achieved anything without fortuitous circumstances and luck. All of them have their birth and associations to thank for for some major successes. It is telling that you seek to blame only Egwene for this.
I blame Egwene because that is all that she has to go on.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2918 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. redhand - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 1266 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 1214 Views
Agreed! *NM* Mats imaginary friend - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 707 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 1124 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 1249 Views
Me too Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 1297 Views
Exactly. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 1131 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 1314 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 1155 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 647 Views
Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 1133 Views
Re: Ahhh. Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 1133 Views
Re: Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 1183 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 1151 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1706 Views
Everything up to tGS Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 1367 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 1364 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 1240 Views
General impression lately I guess. Seriana Sedai - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 1150 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 1170 Views
Thanks. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 1269 Views
double post, hate my computer. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 1265 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is Lord o' Salv - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 1103 Views
so I guess ... Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1365 Views
You want a friend like Mat TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 1153 Views
Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM 656 Views
How so? What does he do that is detrimentally immature? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:05:07 AM 1169 Views
might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 1097 Views
Re: might I add.. Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 1180 Views
Re: might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 1163 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 1103 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws ajfurst - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 1209 Views
Like others don't have flaws? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 1187 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 1313 Views
Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 1382 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? thebestrob - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 1244 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 1277 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 1175 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 1202 Views
And you aren't? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 1123 Views
Seems to me you're both right. Legolas - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 1159 Views
Bah Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 1242 Views
wait a sec... scalius - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 1293 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. entyti - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 1133 Views
Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM 642 Views
More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM 951 Views
Re: Bah Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 1296 Views
Rant on! Rant on! rho - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 1087 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 1132 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? LTArmstrong - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 1285 Views
Obviously. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 1135 Views
I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM 534 Views
Well... Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 1038 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 1171 Views
Tar Valon is a nation Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 1264 Views
The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM 1258 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument Legolas - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 1295 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 1242 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. Legolas - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 1253 Views
Hmm..... Sidious - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 1062 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* Legolas - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 525 Views
Not a problem... fionwe1987 - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 1143 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 1324 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen rho - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 1245 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 1090 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 1259 Views
*snort* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 640 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 1201 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 1270 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 1265 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 1235 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 1230 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 1198 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 1151 Views
I have one question Sidious - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 1193 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 1181 Views
Capture OR kill Sidious - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 1251 Views
Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her rho - 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM 1064 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 1094 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren rho - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 1103 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 653 Views
I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much. Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM 1264 Views
I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills Asha'man - 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM 1304 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... Zeratul - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 1151 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 1127 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite Zeratul - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1332 Views
Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz NaClH2O - 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM 1061 Views
Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Cannoli - 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM 1114 Views
Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Sidious - 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM 1245 Views
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