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Kind of Sort of fairfax Send a noteboard - 17/11/2009 07:05:51 AM
I'm half way through tGS and something popped into my mind.....what is the point of the Aes Sedai? Are they comic relief? Are they just filler?

Have the Aes Sedai contributed anything major to the storyline? Have they discovered any knowledge about the Last Battle to help Rand? Have they helped with any of the conflicts among nations/factions to help bring order to Randland prior to the Last Battle? Have they even captured or killed a Forsaken? They just keep fighting among themselves.....what's the point!

Thoughts?


Alanna, Kiruna, and a few other Sisters negotiated peace with the Tairen and Cairhenien rebels hole up in Haddon Mirk. Darlin became King of Tear and there was peace.

The Aes Sedai with the help of a few novices slaughtered 30 tor'raken, captured at least 10 Damane, and killed or captured around 30 sul'dam.

If you want to include the Salidar Aes Sedai there are more accomplishments. One of the SAS help burn Rahvin to a crisp before Rand balefired him. The SAS found the Bowl of Winds and got the Windfinders to help fix the weather. The SAS rediscovered traveling. One of the SAS became Queen of Andor and will support Rand. One of the SAS will provide Rand with at least two heirs. The SAS rediscovered how to make cuendillar so the world has more unbreakable tea cups. One of the SAS is responsible for a growing army in the Borderlands that will plug Tawins Gap.

Mostly the White Tower is a diminished, insular, petty group of women with delusions of grandeur. I would expect that to change in the next two books.
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Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:18:52 AM 1334 Views
They are politicians at heart... everynametaken - 17/11/2009 05:31:41 AM 900 Views
You remember Moiraine, right? And Cadsuane? *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/11/2009 05:32:50 AM 450 Views
Cadsuane hasn't done anything and Moiraine.....you mean that person from 7 books ago? trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:51:16 AM 670 Views
That's individual AS, not AS as a group. *NM* ajfurst - 17/11/2009 06:23:52 AM 317 Views
What use have the Andorans been then? As a nation, not individuals. *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/11/2009 06:53:35 AM 324 Views
Not much - of all plots in WOT I wish Daughter Heir had meant Heir, not Daughter of the Heir *NM* ajfurst - 18/11/2009 08:54:18 AM 319 Views
She is the Heir, not the daughter of the heir! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 05:24:24 PM 334 Views
As we found out, in painfully slow manner, she was neither! *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:31:02 PM 319 Views
Short answer: nope. Marshall - 17/11/2009 05:51:01 AM 844 Views
Good answer.....so why are so many stories devoted to those that are only indirectly..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:54:10 AM 655 Views
Wonderful response, and I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/11/2009 08:18:30 PM 667 Views
rather.. urizen - 18/11/2009 08:32:10 AM 787 Views
I think those critiques are overblown and not based on a fair analaysis of WoT History RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 03:15:12 PM 733 Views
Hawkwing included AS until Ishmael got to him so that really not true. Onarishma - 18/11/2009 05:04:58 PM 697 Views
Re: Hawkwing included AS until Ishmael got to him so that really not true. urizen - 18/11/2009 09:16:04 PM 683 Views
Their Tower allegience was always superior to their Empire allegience but was Bonwhine Onarishma - 23/11/2009 02:29:57 AM 605 Views
But then.. urizen - 23/11/2009 08:30:37 AM 721 Views
Kind of Sort of fairfax - 17/11/2009 07:05:51 AM 659 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... Onarishma - 17/11/2009 07:50:48 AM 619 Views
AS exist for you to question the purpose of all self-serving organizations making grand claims redhand - 17/11/2009 09:31:24 AM 2056 Views
Re: AS exist for you to question the purpose of all self-serving organizations making grand claims Watcher - 17/11/2009 12:44:35 PM 1424 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... LewsTherin10 - 17/11/2009 02:36:33 PM 685 Views
Always help or contribute.....never do or lead..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 04:23:04 PM 626 Views
if that internal silliness is not resolved the power of a united front will remain compromised. *NM* Onarishma - 17/11/2009 11:11:54 PM 369 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:48:27 PM 606 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... LewsTherin10 - 19/11/2009 09:14:14 PM 841 Views
You're asking the wrong question HyogaRott - 17/11/2009 05:35:06 PM 674 Views
You could ask the exact same questions about the Ashaman, or the Aiel, or the SeaFolk, or any group NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 11:49:25 AM 636 Views
SeaFolk yes, Aiel or Ashamen no.....stupid reply.....try again if you would like. *NM* trzaska2000 - 18/11/2009 05:56:54 PM 391 Views
Scored using your words NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 06:33:31 PM 769 Views
Slow down Professor.....the AS have killed 1 Forsaken..... trzaska2000 - 18/11/2009 10:59:39 PM 618 Views
I think he's counting Nynaeve and Egwene *NM* Marshall - 18/11/2009 11:21:20 PM 310 Views
So who killed Lanfear? *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 11:59:27 PM 378 Views
You mean Lanfear/Cyndane.....nobody..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 12:04:10 AM 654 Views
They reduced her in power. TheCrownless - 19/11/2009 12:39:17 AM 577 Views
Perhaps 1/32th of a point.....she's still almost as powerful as any other woman..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 01:00:26 AM 659 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 01:33:56 AM 604 Views
So you've decided to redefine words now? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 01:42:48 AM 550 Views
Have you read the books? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 01:39:37 AM 597 Views
I will type more slowly.....the AS have killed 1 and only 1 Forsaken..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 04:00:59 AM 598 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 05:00:13 AM 635 Views
Oh dear! NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 11:51:17 AM 565 Views
Read the new book.....as Rand points out.....no balefire, no death..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 03:04:44 PM 527 Views
Re: Read the new book.....as Rand points out.....no balefire, no death..... NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:11:36 PM 723 Views
This is silly guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:29:33 PM 570 Views
There is no misrepresentation NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:45:18 PM 583 Views
The point I made is guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:48:52 PM 567 Views
Are we speaking english? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:07:45 PM 774 Views
Not really BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:19:49 PM 655 Views
Re: There is no misrepresentation BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 07:49:29 PM 704 Views
OK NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:15:08 PM 640 Views
No idea BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:17:09 PM 613 Views
OK fair enough, I do too, NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:31:11 PM 739 Views
Well what do you think of BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:56:38 PM 848 Views
And another point NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:05:45 PM 543 Views
For the sake of argument, though BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 03:49:23 PM 610 Views
OK fair enough NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:56:00 PM 595 Views
rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 12:06:02 AM 715 Views
There isn't much in this series I would call "filler" - seriously? trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 12:11:14 AM 566 Views
You're bothering to discuss a series with three books of "filler"- seriously? *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 01:34:43 AM 285 Views
Just skipped over them.....no big deal slick..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 04:02:57 AM 586 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:58:54 AM 543 Views
Yes, seriously rAndy aL - 20/11/2009 01:11:18 AM 650 Views
It's kind of amusing to see the prima donas bow and scrape before each other while the world ends. BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:37:42 PM 592 Views
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