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For the sake of argument, though BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 03:49:23 PM
idiotic question

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Doesn't it seem that all or most of the important Aes Sedai contributions (like killing the Forsaken and such) have come from those that have left the Tower and the Clash of Titans?

Moiraine spent most of her life outside the Tower. We've never seen Cadsuane in the Tower. Etc.

It seems like there are two factions that are/were struggling for power within themselves (Tower and Rebel), while the third actually avoided them both and is actually helping the world. Even Nynaeve and Elayne can be seen as belonging to the "neutral" faction, despite their sympathies to Egwene. They did not waste their time trying to put Egwene on the Amyrlin's Seat.

I don't think AS have no capacity to help, just that the Tower and their ridiculous deference customs severely restrict that capacity.
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Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:18:52 AM 1431 Views
They are politicians at heart... everynametaken - 17/11/2009 05:31:41 AM 1010 Views
You remember Moiraine, right? And Cadsuane? *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/11/2009 05:32:50 AM 494 Views
Cadsuane hasn't done anything and Moiraine.....you mean that person from 7 books ago? trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:51:16 AM 777 Views
That's individual AS, not AS as a group. *NM* ajfurst - 17/11/2009 06:23:52 AM 366 Views
What use have the Andorans been then? As a nation, not individuals. *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/11/2009 06:53:35 AM 398 Views
Not much - of all plots in WOT I wish Daughter Heir had meant Heir, not Daughter of the Heir *NM* ajfurst - 18/11/2009 08:54:18 AM 375 Views
She is the Heir, not the daughter of the heir! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 05:24:24 PM 382 Views
As we found out, in painfully slow manner, she was neither! *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:31:02 PM 365 Views
Short answer: nope. Marshall - 17/11/2009 05:51:01 AM 958 Views
Good answer.....so why are so many stories devoted to those that are only indirectly..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:54:10 AM 754 Views
Wonderful response, and I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/11/2009 08:18:30 PM 778 Views
rather.. urizen - 18/11/2009 08:32:10 AM 884 Views
I think those critiques are overblown and not based on a fair analaysis of WoT History RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 03:15:12 PM 860 Views
Hawkwing included AS until Ishmael got to him so that really not true. Onarishma - 18/11/2009 05:04:58 PM 805 Views
Re: Hawkwing included AS until Ishmael got to him so that really not true. urizen - 18/11/2009 09:16:04 PM 790 Views
Their Tower allegience was always superior to their Empire allegience but was Bonwhine Onarishma - 23/11/2009 02:29:57 AM 736 Views
But then.. urizen - 23/11/2009 08:30:37 AM 820 Views
Kind of Sort of fairfax - 17/11/2009 07:05:51 AM 769 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... Onarishma - 17/11/2009 07:50:48 AM 721 Views
AS exist for you to question the purpose of all self-serving organizations making grand claims redhand - 17/11/2009 09:31:24 AM 2176 Views
Re: AS exist for you to question the purpose of all self-serving organizations making grand claims Watcher - 17/11/2009 12:44:35 PM 1527 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... LewsTherin10 - 17/11/2009 02:36:33 PM 806 Views
Always help or contribute.....never do or lead..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 04:23:04 PM 724 Views
if that internal silliness is not resolved the power of a united front will remain compromised. *NM* Onarishma - 17/11/2009 11:11:54 PM 415 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:48:27 PM 714 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... LewsTherin10 - 19/11/2009 09:14:14 PM 964 Views
You're asking the wrong question HyogaRott - 17/11/2009 05:35:06 PM 771 Views
You could ask the exact same questions about the Ashaman, or the Aiel, or the SeaFolk, or any group NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 11:49:25 AM 759 Views
SeaFolk yes, Aiel or Ashamen no.....stupid reply.....try again if you would like. *NM* trzaska2000 - 18/11/2009 05:56:54 PM 438 Views
Scored using your words NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 06:33:31 PM 870 Views
Slow down Professor.....the AS have killed 1 Forsaken..... trzaska2000 - 18/11/2009 10:59:39 PM 732 Views
I think he's counting Nynaeve and Egwene *NM* Marshall - 18/11/2009 11:21:20 PM 352 Views
So who killed Lanfear? *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 11:59:27 PM 476 Views
You mean Lanfear/Cyndane.....nobody..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 12:04:10 AM 769 Views
They reduced her in power. TheCrownless - 19/11/2009 12:39:17 AM 679 Views
Perhaps 1/32th of a point.....she's still almost as powerful as any other woman..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 01:00:26 AM 757 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 01:33:56 AM 702 Views
So you've decided to redefine words now? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 01:42:48 AM 650 Views
Have you read the books? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 01:39:37 AM 698 Views
I will type more slowly.....the AS have killed 1 and only 1 Forsaken..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 04:00:59 AM 692 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 05:00:13 AM 763 Views
Oh dear! NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 11:51:17 AM 659 Views
Read the new book.....as Rand points out.....no balefire, no death..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 03:04:44 PM 629 Views
Re: Read the new book.....as Rand points out.....no balefire, no death..... NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:11:36 PM 829 Views
This is silly guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:29:33 PM 686 Views
There is no misrepresentation NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:45:18 PM 690 Views
The point I made is guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:48:52 PM 677 Views
Are we speaking english? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:07:45 PM 887 Views
Not really BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:19:49 PM 748 Views
Re: There is no misrepresentation BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 07:49:29 PM 812 Views
OK NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:15:08 PM 745 Views
No idea BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:17:09 PM 719 Views
OK fair enough, I do too, NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:31:11 PM 851 Views
Well what do you think of BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:56:38 PM 953 Views
And another point NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:05:45 PM 646 Views
For the sake of argument, though BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 03:49:23 PM 718 Views
OK fair enough NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:56:00 PM 700 Views
rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 12:06:02 AM 815 Views
There isn't much in this series I would call "filler" - seriously? trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 12:11:14 AM 667 Views
You're bothering to discuss a series with three books of "filler"- seriously? *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 01:34:43 AM 329 Views
Just skipped over them.....no big deal slick..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 04:02:57 AM 689 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:58:54 AM 651 Views
Yes, seriously rAndy aL - 20/11/2009 01:11:18 AM 744 Views
It's kind of amusing to see the prima donas bow and scrape before each other while the world ends. BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:37:42 PM 693 Views
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