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For the sake of argument, though BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 03:49:23 PM
idiotic question

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Doesn't it seem that all or most of the important Aes Sedai contributions (like killing the Forsaken and such) have come from those that have left the Tower and the Clash of Titans?

Moiraine spent most of her life outside the Tower. We've never seen Cadsuane in the Tower. Etc.

It seems like there are two factions that are/were struggling for power within themselves (Tower and Rebel), while the third actually avoided them both and is actually helping the world. Even Nynaeve and Elayne can be seen as belonging to the "neutral" faction, despite their sympathies to Egwene. They did not waste their time trying to put Egwene on the Amyrlin's Seat.

I don't think AS have no capacity to help, just that the Tower and their ridiculous deference customs severely restrict that capacity.
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Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:18:52 AM 1473 Views
They are politicians at heart... everynametaken - 17/11/2009 05:31:41 AM 1054 Views
You remember Moiraine, right? And Cadsuane? *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/11/2009 05:32:50 AM 514 Views
Cadsuane hasn't done anything and Moiraine.....you mean that person from 7 books ago? trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:51:16 AM 831 Views
That's individual AS, not AS as a group. *NM* ajfurst - 17/11/2009 06:23:52 AM 389 Views
What use have the Andorans been then? As a nation, not individuals. *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/11/2009 06:53:35 AM 416 Views
Not much - of all plots in WOT I wish Daughter Heir had meant Heir, not Daughter of the Heir *NM* ajfurst - 18/11/2009 08:54:18 AM 395 Views
She is the Heir, not the daughter of the heir! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 05:24:24 PM 401 Views
As we found out, in painfully slow manner, she was neither! *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:31:02 PM 387 Views
Short answer: nope. Marshall - 17/11/2009 05:51:01 AM 1010 Views
Good answer.....so why are so many stories devoted to those that are only indirectly..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 05:54:10 AM 798 Views
Wonderful response, and I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/11/2009 08:18:30 PM 822 Views
rather.. urizen - 18/11/2009 08:32:10 AM 932 Views
I think those critiques are overblown and not based on a fair analaysis of WoT History RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 03:15:12 PM 911 Views
Hawkwing included AS until Ishmael got to him so that really not true. Onarishma - 18/11/2009 05:04:58 PM 854 Views
Re: Hawkwing included AS until Ishmael got to him so that really not true. urizen - 18/11/2009 09:16:04 PM 843 Views
Their Tower allegience was always superior to their Empire allegience but was Bonwhine Onarishma - 23/11/2009 02:29:57 AM 787 Views
But then.. urizen - 23/11/2009 08:30:37 AM 875 Views
Kind of Sort of fairfax - 17/11/2009 07:05:51 AM 824 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... Onarishma - 17/11/2009 07:50:48 AM 770 Views
AS exist for you to question the purpose of all self-serving organizations making grand claims redhand - 17/11/2009 09:31:24 AM 2238 Views
Re: AS exist for you to question the purpose of all self-serving organizations making grand claims Watcher - 17/11/2009 12:44:35 PM 1567 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... LewsTherin10 - 17/11/2009 02:36:33 PM 856 Views
Always help or contribute.....never do or lead..... trzaska2000 - 17/11/2009 04:23:04 PM 768 Views
if that internal silliness is not resolved the power of a united front will remain compromised. *NM* Onarishma - 17/11/2009 11:11:54 PM 434 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:48:27 PM 755 Views
Re: Aes Sedai - question for the WoT experts..... LewsTherin10 - 19/11/2009 09:14:14 PM 1018 Views
You're asking the wrong question HyogaRott - 17/11/2009 05:35:06 PM 817 Views
You could ask the exact same questions about the Ashaman, or the Aiel, or the SeaFolk, or any group NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 11:49:25 AM 806 Views
SeaFolk yes, Aiel or Ashamen no.....stupid reply.....try again if you would like. *NM* trzaska2000 - 18/11/2009 05:56:54 PM 458 Views
Scored using your words NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 06:33:31 PM 920 Views
Slow down Professor.....the AS have killed 1 Forsaken..... trzaska2000 - 18/11/2009 10:59:39 PM 782 Views
I think he's counting Nynaeve and Egwene *NM* Marshall - 18/11/2009 11:21:20 PM 371 Views
So who killed Lanfear? *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 11:59:27 PM 497 Views
You mean Lanfear/Cyndane.....nobody..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 12:04:10 AM 828 Views
They reduced her in power. TheCrownless - 19/11/2009 12:39:17 AM 729 Views
Perhaps 1/32th of a point.....she's still almost as powerful as any other woman..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 01:00:26 AM 806 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 01:33:56 AM 747 Views
So you've decided to redefine words now? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 01:42:48 AM 708 Views
Have you read the books? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 01:39:37 AM 745 Views
I will type more slowly.....the AS have killed 1 and only 1 Forsaken..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 04:00:59 AM 743 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 05:00:13 AM 817 Views
Oh dear! NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 11:51:17 AM 706 Views
Read the new book.....as Rand points out.....no balefire, no death..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 03:04:44 PM 680 Views
Re: Read the new book.....as Rand points out.....no balefire, no death..... NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:11:36 PM 875 Views
This is silly guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:29:33 PM 735 Views
There is no misrepresentation NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:45:18 PM 734 Views
The point I made is guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:48:52 PM 721 Views
Are we speaking english? NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:07:45 PM 937 Views
Not really BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:19:49 PM 794 Views
Re: There is no misrepresentation BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 07:49:29 PM 846 Views
OK NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:15:08 PM 797 Views
No idea BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:17:09 PM 770 Views
OK fair enough, I do too, NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 08:31:11 PM 898 Views
Well what do you think of BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 08:56:38 PM 998 Views
And another point NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:05:45 PM 690 Views
For the sake of argument, though BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 03:49:23 PM 764 Views
OK fair enough NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:56:00 PM 747 Views
rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 12:06:02 AM 858 Views
There isn't much in this series I would call "filler" - seriously? trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 12:11:14 AM 721 Views
You're bothering to discuss a series with three books of "filler"- seriously? *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 01:34:43 AM 350 Views
Just skipped over them.....no big deal slick..... trzaska2000 - 19/11/2009 04:02:57 AM 743 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:58:54 AM 703 Views
Yes, seriously rAndy aL - 20/11/2009 01:11:18 AM 779 Views
It's kind of amusing to see the prima donas bow and scrape before each other while the world ends. BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 01:37:42 PM 740 Views
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