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Your problem is... Shannow Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
Semirhage was evil and did not deserve ANY respect or dignity. She was only terrifying or intimidating to cowards, who let the fear of pain dissuade them from what is right or true. Rand's order to ont torture her, no matter how misguided his reasoning, was the best command he could have given on that subject, becaused it forced Cadsuane to go outside the box and do what hurt Semirhage worst. I wouldn't have needed all that time to think on it, and I bet Egwene would not have either (assuming she could remember her first trip to the Heart of the Stone in Tel'Aran'Rhiod.


That you see the need for moral instruction as more important in a story than the need for suspense, drama and emotional gratification.

No one in their right minds would admire a person like Semirhage in real life, but in a fictional story it decreases the suspense if major antagonists are made to look ridiculous.

You get all uppity and indignant when people don't apply an iron moral compass while enjoying some light entertainment in the form of a book, set in a fictional world, involving fictional characters.

In the real world, we wouldn't want to see millions of people die in a World War either, but take that away from the Wot story, and you end up with a tale about a shepherd and an innkeeper's daughter involved in a love quadrangle with a blond haired princess and her pretty, sword wielding brother.

Pretty exciting don't you think...
This message last edited by Shannow on 19/11/2009 at 10:24:20 PM
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Shannow - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3167 Views
The two of you are pathetic Cannoli - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1649 Views
Your problem is... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1568 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* Narg - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 722 Views
No. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1362 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1272 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 601 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* beetnemesis - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1371 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1334 Views
True to a degree Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1274 Views
There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1236 Views
You know, I agree BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1322 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1170 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1141 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 652 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all MightyYT - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1156 Views
That's what I meant, actually beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1146 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1105 Views
Re: You know, I agree Evil_Monkey - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1255 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1341 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1186 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1237 Views
Ditto *NM* echooff - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 579 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1246 Views
WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM 1126 Views
Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM 1213 Views
I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government... Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM 1121 Views
And also BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1196 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1093 Views
Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM 1244 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic p hart - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1231 Views
personally, I loved the scene kcf - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1392 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 649 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1313 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 692 Views
That was barely a response... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1196 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1185 Views
Re: That was barely a response... p hart - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1251 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1194 Views
On the other hand BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1180 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1153 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1218 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1169 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1210 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. Fanatic-Templar - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1127 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. p hart - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1241 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1082 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1105 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1215 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? Lohikaarme - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1122 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1099 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power p hart - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1081 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1168 Views
If they're good at killing people Lohikaarme - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 975 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1236 Views
exactly *NM* AgentOrange - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 639 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1214 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline Skeeve the Great - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1287 Views
I'd like to see that too . Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1117 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 636 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... vandevere - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1306 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 735 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1346 Views
I agree with your second half beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1126 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special AgentOrange - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1134 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1144 Views
She is dead to me! Sandwich - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1054 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1089 Views
Book 14 you think Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1124 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1229 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1257 Views
Don't avoid the question... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1176 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1182 Views
Hehe... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1196 Views
Re: Hehe... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1198 Views
Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is p hart - 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM 1248 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1079 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1127 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1105 Views
Re: Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1139 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 8621 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1126 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1198 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Sidious - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1456 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1058 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out everynametaken - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 1210 Views
The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM 1215 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 1151 Views
because thats what sadists are! nigelgoboom - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1471 Views
How many people p hart - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1168 Views
At least two. Kaldric - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 992 Views
Re: At least two. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1296 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order Rurouni_Kenshin - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1129 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1351 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. The Angry Druid - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1177 Views
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