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There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM
Of COURSE Semirhage is reprehensible, and sure, some sore of comeuppance isn't unwarranted. But did it have to be so anti-climatic (I'm talking about the spanking, obviously, not the thing with Rand)?



Let's look at the Nynaeve-Mogheidan relationship. Moggy is obviously just as screwed up as the rest of the Forsaken. Even before she was soul-trapped, she knew she was less powerful in the Power, and resented the other Forsaken. Note her attitude towards Lanfear regarding the World of Dreams. She's TOTALLY the kinda-geeky girl with no friends that mocks and loathes the popular kids, yet secretly wants to be Prom Queen.


Did Moggy's neuroses get in the way of her being an awesome villain? No way. TWO extremely exciting battles, both of which were much, much more than simple slugfests. Plus we got to see Moggy's plots against the Wondergirls, and more. We saw her slap down Liandrin, which was awesome.

And now she's a mind-slave. See? Comeuppance. And Nynaeve still dreads her (although she'll fight her again, of course. Nynaeve attacks anything she fears). THAT'S how to write a villain.


Nynaeve compares her own cowardice to Moghedien. Cadsuane also makes the comparison of how to break herself vs. how to break Semirhage and sees the similarity. And don't forget that we have Rand that is linked to Moridin, (Champion of Light vs. Champion of Shadow), so RJ has provided multiple parallels throughout the series.

We might be able to deduce which Forsaken/Bad Guy stacks up against a particular hero.:

Taim vs. Logain ~ 2 false dragons reduced to second chair triangle.
Lanfear/Cyndane vs. Elayne/Aviendha ~ 2 + 2 = ? or past vs present
Demandred vs. Narishma ~ Looks like Jahar is becoming the second to Rand, and I just have a gut feeling that as much as Demmy wants to kill LTT/Rand, they're never going to even face each other. Lack of "air-time" for Demandred doesn't bode well for his character. (He's like the child that keeps yelling "look" until he gets your attention, then has nothing for you to look at.)
Egwene vs. Mesaana ~ Student vs. Teacher

Just a few guesses. Always fun to speculate.
Where once was Shadow
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night

I made the switch!
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Shannow - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3360 Views
The two of you are pathetic Cannoli - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1821 Views
Your problem is... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1767 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* Narg - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 818 Views
No. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1540 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1442 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 684 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* beetnemesis - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1559 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1502 Views
True to a degree Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1440 Views
There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1394 Views
You know, I agree BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1533 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1340 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1308 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 743 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all MightyYT - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1327 Views
That's what I meant, actually beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1330 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1270 Views
Re: You know, I agree Evil_Monkey - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1447 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1536 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1385 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1406 Views
Ditto *NM* echooff - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 656 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1421 Views
WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM 1280 Views
Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM 1380 Views
I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government... Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM 1283 Views
And also BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1381 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1247 Views
Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM 1405 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic p hart - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1407 Views
personally, I loved the scene kcf - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1563 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 725 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1476 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 769 Views
That was barely a response... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1363 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1363 Views
Re: That was barely a response... p hart - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1426 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1382 Views
On the other hand BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1359 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1316 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1400 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1338 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1391 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. Fanatic-Templar - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1323 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. p hart - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1405 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1243 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1277 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1381 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? Lohikaarme - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1287 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1262 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power p hart - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1237 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1358 Views
If they're good at killing people Lohikaarme - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 1143 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1431 Views
exactly *NM* AgentOrange - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 723 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1378 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline Skeeve the Great - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1466 Views
I'd like to see that too . Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1305 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 715 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... vandevere - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1495 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 821 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1592 Views
I agree with your second half beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1283 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special AgentOrange - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1313 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1319 Views
She is dead to me! Sandwich - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1230 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1243 Views
Book 14 you think Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1297 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1391 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1424 Views
Don't avoid the question... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1353 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1355 Views
Hehe... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1374 Views
Re: Hehe... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1376 Views
Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is p hart - 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM 1447 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1241 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1316 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1277 Views
Re: Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1380 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 9176 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1302 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1382 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Sidious - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1631 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1221 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out everynametaken - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 1377 Views
The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM 1398 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 1327 Views
because thats what sadists are! nigelgoboom - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1644 Views
How many people p hart - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1342 Views
At least two. Kaldric - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 1147 Views
Re: At least two. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1476 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order Rurouni_Kenshin - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1308 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1513 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. The Angry Druid - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1339 Views
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