The Path of Daggers, Unweaving
Talaan, so meek in her red linen blouse, with eyes that seemed permanently downcast, came very close to Nynaeve. Very close.
Talaan is probably on the same level as Nynaeve, but is clearly not stronger.
My list is closer to Sids for many of the same reasons:
1. Lanfear and possibly Alivia or Sharina
2. Cyndane and possibly Alivia or Sharina
3. Graendal and Sharina (minimum) -- Alivia cant' be this level or she wouldn't be "considerably stronger than Nynaeve"
4. Nynaeve, Talaan, Sommeryn
5. Semirhage and Mesaana
6. Moghedien, Tamela and Viendre
7. Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha and Metarra
8. Cadsuane, Bode and Nicola
9. Meylen and Kerien
10. Elle and Jancy
11. Moiraine, Elaida, Romanda, Lelaine and old Siuan
I also look at Graendal as stronger than Semhirage/Mesaana for a couple of other reasons. She stands alone and open. We know from Aran'gar that Graendal's alliances end abruptly with her "ally" dead. She's far to ballsy to be weaker than the others, she openly mocks the likes of Demandred and mentally dismisses Mesaana as a non-entity.
My other main reason for believing she is stronger is that RJ has built up quite a mythos around her. She's been the "replacement" Lanfear for a while now, the go-to for all evil femaleness.
As for her lying to herself ... yes I'm sure she does, but IMO the FS lie about their Greatness or how much they've Acheived or their incomparable Skill ... lying about something as strength in the OP is rather trivial to them, they constantly laugh about the "half-trained" girls calling themselves AS and Graendal's comments about Sommeryn were telling as well. In her mind Sommeryn was inconsequential because she wasn't well trained.
As for your Gateway thoughts, I've been saying as much for a while, I don't believe Strength can be figured out from ability with one weave. We've already seen too many examples of things like Siuan's healing being the same despite only being 1/3 as strong as she was before... Rand's 4x4 Gateway maybe impossible for anyone else to achieve even if they were stronger than Rand, if he has particular facility with the weave he can do it better... look at Berowin and her shields!
Talaan, so meek in her red linen blouse, with eyes that seemed permanently downcast, came very close to Nynaeve. Very close.
Talaan is probably on the same level as Nynaeve, but is clearly not stronger.
My list is closer to Sids for many of the same reasons:
1. Lanfear and possibly Alivia or Sharina
2. Cyndane and possibly Alivia or Sharina
3. Graendal and Sharina (minimum) -- Alivia cant' be this level or she wouldn't be "considerably stronger than Nynaeve"
4. Nynaeve, Talaan, Sommeryn
5. Semirhage and Mesaana
6. Moghedien, Tamela and Viendre
7. Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha and Metarra
8. Cadsuane, Bode and Nicola
9. Meylen and Kerien
10. Elle and Jancy
11. Moiraine, Elaida, Romanda, Lelaine and old Siuan
I also look at Graendal as stronger than Semhirage/Mesaana for a couple of other reasons. She stands alone and open. We know from Aran'gar that Graendal's alliances end abruptly with her "ally" dead. She's far to ballsy to be weaker than the others, she openly mocks the likes of Demandred and mentally dismisses Mesaana as a non-entity.
My other main reason for believing she is stronger is that RJ has built up quite a mythos around her. She's been the "replacement" Lanfear for a while now, the go-to for all evil femaleness.
As for her lying to herself ... yes I'm sure she does, but IMO the FS lie about their Greatness or how much they've Acheived or their incomparable Skill ... lying about something as strength in the OP is rather trivial to them, they constantly laugh about the "half-trained" girls calling themselves AS and Graendal's comments about Sommeryn were telling as well. In her mind Sommeryn was inconsequential because she wasn't well trained.
As for your Gateway thoughts, I've been saying as much for a while, I don't believe Strength can be figured out from ability with one weave. We've already seen too many examples of things like Siuan's healing being the same despite only being 1/3 as strong as she was before... Rand's 4x4 Gateway maybe impossible for anyone else to achieve even if they were stronger than Rand, if he has particular facility with the weave he can do it better... look at Berowin and her shields!
Talaan may be stronger than Nynaeve when she fully strengthens. We never got an estimation of Talaan's potential strength, just her current strength compared to Nynaeve.
I disagree with your placement of Semirhage and Mesaana on the same level. BS clearly implies there is a difference between Mesaana and Semirhage.
And the WF don't seem to coddle women the way the Tower does.
Nynaeve has only been actively Channeling for 18 months? Odds are in favor of Talaan actually being much closer to her full potential than Nynaeve.
Semirhage could also be at the same level as Nynaeve, but BS did say he believed Nynaeve was stronger. Mesaana is obviously weaker, but there are only so many levels to work with here!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Female Forsaken strength : a new post
- 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM
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Except...
- 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM
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There's no evidence for that
- 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM
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I agree with Sidious - we have no evidence at this time, so she should remain off the list
- 19/11/2009 04:38:31 PM
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It's common sense
- 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM
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No, it's based on absolutely nothing
- 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM
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If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia...
- 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM
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Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start!
- 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM
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Hmm...
- 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM
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Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference...
- 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM
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But I'm not
- 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM
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Let me ask you this...
- 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM
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All assumption
- 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM
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Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance?
- 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM
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You don't know the significance of it at all
- 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM
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Why?
- 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM
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Re: Why?
- 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM
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How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)...
- 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM
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Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)...
- 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM
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Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then?
- 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM
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Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed.
- 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM
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Yeah... entirely
- 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM
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- 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM
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What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM*
- 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM
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Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post
- 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM
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Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity??
- 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM
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Seems good, except I'd bunch up the upper levels and place Nynaeve a little higher. *NM*
- 19/11/2009 09:46:16 PM
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Too many levels
- 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM
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21 levels is largely a myth
- 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM
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I have to disagree for a couple of reasons.
- 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM
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I thought of something else to support my upper limit theory on gateways
- 20/11/2009 01:53:05 PM
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Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve
- 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM
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Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve
- 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM
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Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years
- 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM
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more hopefully to come
- 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM
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Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask.
- 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM
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I'm the same way. I should be studying for law school finals, but I'm distracted. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 09:45:46 PM
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I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken
- 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM
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