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Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM
Not sure it this has been discussed yet, but Cadsuane tells a clear lie

tGS
A Promise to Lews Therin

"There are Aiel in the city, Lady," Quillin said, scrubbing at an invisible spot on the tabletop.

She gave him a flat stare. "I hadn't noticed."

I think Sanderson probably just took sarcasm too far to be honest, but there doesn't seem to be wriggle room in the oaths for this kind of statement...


I can't remember where it's from, but Jordan said that the Three Oaths don't limit sarcasm or things of that nature. She doesn't believe she's lying, so she is able to do so. I'll try to dig up that interview.
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2115 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1321 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1038 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 996 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 956 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1002 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 460 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1047 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 973 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 955 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 899 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 953 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 823 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 806 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 432 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 962 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 948 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 792 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 881 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 987 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 915 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 843 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 755 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 819 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 772 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 865 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 939 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 716 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 790 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 733 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 909 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 791 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1021 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 993 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 785 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 944 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 405 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 826 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 739 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 742 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 777 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1099 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 754 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 780 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 739 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 763 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 773 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 803 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 700 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 754 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 775 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 969 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 700 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 685 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 783 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 881 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 834 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 798 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 737 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 790 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 340 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 734 Views
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