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None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM
the problem I have is that the Oaths are supposedly ingrained into the very being of the person who swears on the Oath Rod. If was as easy as what you are all describing to lie, then AS would be full of crap all the time.

I'm saying that an Oath on the Rod should make it impossible for an AS to even casually lie in the form of sarcasm, unless she is also saying true statements.

IMO the Oath is even more useless if an AS can just decide in her mind that her words aren't intended to be lies then she can say whatever the hell she wants. Intent alone does not make her words the truth.
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2225 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1434 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1146 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1099 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 1055 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1105 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 511 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1149 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1071 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 1056 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 998 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 1082 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 923 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 899 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 514 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 1082 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 1064 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 888 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 986 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1088 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 1019 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 941 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 857 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 931 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 877 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 960 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 1031 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 818 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 954 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 824 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1066 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 886 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1182 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1099 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 901 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 1046 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 453 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 935 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 860 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 864 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 891 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1199 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 849 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 885 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 834 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 864 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 865 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 904 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 813 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 861 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 875 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1074 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 800 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 805 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 919 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 984 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 935 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 906 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 835 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 889 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 387 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 833 Views
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