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But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM

Sheriam betrayed herself by anticipating the question and giving the wrong answer. Under the first oath, such a slip isn't possible. The first oath should have stopped her answering at all until/unless she heard the question, or else to answer differently, by a true statement (eg: Q: are your hair red? A:Of course I'm not Black Ajah or Of course, I'm not). She could not answer a question she had not heard with just "of course not" - the binder would have prevented it.


If she thinks she knows what the question that's coming is, it's not intent to lie if she answers it before the question has been spoken, or before she has realized what it is. I don't know if we've seen any examples of that, but if it's all about intent, it would make little sense that an Aes Sedai found herself unable to give the perfectly honest answer she wanted to give.
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2149 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1357 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1073 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1031 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 984 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1035 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 475 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1078 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1006 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 994 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 931 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 988 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 857 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 837 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 465 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 997 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 980 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 823 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 915 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1019 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 950 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 877 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 792 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 860 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 809 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 898 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 975 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 752 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 889 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 764 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1003 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 823 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1118 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1021 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 820 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 976 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 421 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 859 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 769 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 772 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 814 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1130 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 786 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 819 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 775 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 796 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 804 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 836 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 729 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 791 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 807 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1005 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 735 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 720 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 817 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 917 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 866 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 830 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 772 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 823 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 356 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 765 Views
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