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Not at all the case darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM
Seonid's comment is made right after Perrin had just told her all of the information. Her words are absolutely true, her intent was sarcastic.

Cadsuane's words were sarcastic, with truth as the intent.

I don't refuse to see anything, it's crystal clear what the intention of all of this is ... my argument is in the way the Oath is worded... not that AS shouldn't be capable of sarcasm...

For example:

If Siuan was unable to exaggerate her situation to someone who knew damn well that it was an exaggeration. If intent was the only thing that mattered she should have been able to do this just as easily as Cadsuane did.

IMO the Oath should still prevent an AS from wording sarcasm as outright lies... she should have been forced to say this in a different way, such as "Thank you for that keen observation"
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2150 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1357 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1073 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1031 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 985 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1035 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 475 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1079 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1006 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 994 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 932 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 988 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 858 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 838 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 465 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 997 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 980 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 824 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 915 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1019 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 950 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 877 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 792 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 862 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 809 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 900 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 975 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 753 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 890 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 765 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1003 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 825 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1118 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1022 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 820 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 978 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 421 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 859 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 770 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 774 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 814 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1130 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 786 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 819 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 776 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 797 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 805 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 837 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 729 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 791 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 808 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1005 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 735 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 720 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 817 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 917 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 867 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 831 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 772 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 824 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 356 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 765 Views
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