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Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM
When you're used to not being able to lie, you stop trying.

Also, even if they did, that doesn't mean they would talk about it. Siuan and Leane have been with the Rebels since the beginning, and it's not like it's common knowledge among the Rebels.


It took Siuan just a few days to discover she could lie. And we know the AS that Rand stilled discovered it relatively quickly too.

How many sisters must have been stilled over all the years the tower has been in existence? Hundreds? Probably thousands would be more accurate number over its entire lifespan. Is it really believable that in all those millennia and all those sisters, no one EVER studied stilling and interviewed sisters who were stilled.

I realise that this is an uncomfortable subject to most AS, but to expect that it was NEVER studied and NEVER recorded in all those years seems a bit hard for me to swallow. I have no doubt that somewhere in the towers vast libraries, there must be mention somewhere that stilling releases you from the oaths.

Verin, who knew she would have to find a way to release herself to achieve her objectives had not only a strong motivation to look for that information but also several decades of time to do so. Verin was also a brown so she should have had the skills to find out.

And thats even ignoring the fact that the sisters with Rand (who Verin had close contact with) WERE released and did not try to hide it. To believe that Verin did not know or could not have found out is just plain silly.

Even before the healing was discovered, stilling would have been a better way to release herself than drinking poison. It would have killed her eventually yes, but she would have had time to assist in the capture of the BA and guarantee that the job was done well before she died. Now that the stilling can be healed there is no rational reason that Verin should not have sought that route with all her efforts.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1633 Views
You bring up some good points - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1125 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 933 Views
Pretty much agree with you. - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 899 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 488 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 374 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 1010 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 896 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 425 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 866 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 572 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 753 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 802 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 839 Views
You're going at it upside-down. - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 813 Views
Verin should have figured it out - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 795 Views
Why? - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 791 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 978 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 935 Views
Will you please look at your argument? - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 857 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 855 Views
The damn Oath Rod! - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 994 Views
Just having motivation is not enough - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 884 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 697 Views
I don't think those would work - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 824 Views
She should and could have found a better way. - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 829 Views
I agree. - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 720 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 825 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 792 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 894 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 681 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 858 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 863 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 463 Views
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Hey Mark. - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 826 Views
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Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 836 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 554 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 767 Views
It's great to see you around again! - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 860 Views
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Good to see you too. - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 796 Views
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