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Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM
What you are saying is that Verin, in a fit of genius and through some fortunate or unique events that are never even hinted at having existed or through some knowledge that is always said to not exist managed to arrive at a miraculous discovery she is never suggested to know, and this allowed her to be an incredible idiot.

Which of these scenarios seems the more likely to you?

Contrary to everything we know from the books, Verin, through sheer brilliance and a lifetime devotion to finding ways to break the Oaths (I thought she devoted her lifetime to studying the Black Ajah?) made a marvelous discovery that no other Aes Sedai has ever made in two thousand years based on some hypothetical events that exist only for the sake of reaching this conclusion, which enabled her to act uncharacteristically stupidly by killing herself when she could simply have used this miraculous discovery that was researched specifically for this purpose and to which she had devoted her last seventy years, ensuring said discovery will never be revealed to anybody, including the readers.

Or,

Verin chose the best solution she had based on the knowledge available to her.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1921 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1393 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 1200 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 1148 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 633 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 500 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 1282 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 1160 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 548 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 1142 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 708 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 998 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 1045 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 1143 Views
You're going at it upside-down. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 1076 Views
Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 1066 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 1069 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 1281 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 1229 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 1110 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 1137 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 1258 Views
Just having motivation is not enough redhand - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 1183 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 962 Views
I don't think those would work rAndy aL - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 1080 Views
She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 1116 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 971 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. rAndy aL - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 1110 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 1082 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 1195 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law redhand - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 942 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. Tom - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 1129 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 1122 Views
Re: I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. @my - 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM 1522 Views
Agreed. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 588 Views
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Re: Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:13:24 PM 1185 Views
Hey Mark. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 1091 Views
Great to see you again! vandevere - 09/12/2009 05:01:01 AM 1290 Views
Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 1124 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 712 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 993 Views
It's great to see you around again! Seriana Sedai - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 1110 Views
:'( j-whitt987 - 09/12/2009 11:29:03 PM 1072 Views
Good to see you too. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 1114 Views
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Mine added up to many vet bills this week. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 07:22:40 AM 1070 Views
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