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Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM
What you are saying is that Verin, in a fit of genius and through some fortunate or unique events that are never even hinted at having existed or through some knowledge that is always said to not exist managed to arrive at a miraculous discovery she is never suggested to know, and this allowed her to be an incredible idiot.

Which of these scenarios seems the more likely to you?

Contrary to everything we know from the books, Verin, through sheer brilliance and a lifetime devotion to finding ways to break the Oaths (I thought she devoted her lifetime to studying the Black Ajah?) made a marvelous discovery that no other Aes Sedai has ever made in two thousand years based on some hypothetical events that exist only for the sake of reaching this conclusion, which enabled her to act uncharacteristically stupidly by killing herself when she could simply have used this miraculous discovery that was researched specifically for this purpose and to which she had devoted her last seventy years, ensuring said discovery will never be revealed to anybody, including the readers.

Or,

Verin chose the best solution she had based on the knowledge available to her.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1651 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1146 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 952 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 919 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 498 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 384 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 1029 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 919 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 436 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 888 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 584 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 774 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 824 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 858 Views
You're going at it upside-down. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 834 Views
Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 818 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 812 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 999 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 957 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 876 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 875 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 1018 Views
Just having motivation is not enough redhand - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 905 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 717 Views
I don't think those would work rAndy aL - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 846 Views
She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 850 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 741 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. rAndy aL - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 845 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 816 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 917 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law redhand - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 698 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. Tom - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 880 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 882 Views
Re: I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. @my - 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM 1182 Views
Agreed. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 476 Views
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Re: Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:13:24 PM 908 Views
Hey Mark. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 846 Views
Great to see you again! vandevere - 09/12/2009 05:01:01 AM 1039 Views
Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 884 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 566 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 787 Views
It's great to see you around again! Seriana Sedai - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 880 Views
:'( j-whitt987 - 09/12/2009 11:29:03 PM 822 Views
Good to see you too. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 814 Views
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Mine added up to many vet bills this week. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 07:22:40 AM 770 Views
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