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Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM
What you are saying is that Verin, in a fit of genius and through some fortunate or unique events that are never even hinted at having existed or through some knowledge that is always said to not exist managed to arrive at a miraculous discovery she is never suggested to know, and this allowed her to be an incredible idiot.

Which of these scenarios seems the more likely to you?

Contrary to everything we know from the books, Verin, through sheer brilliance and a lifetime devotion to finding ways to break the Oaths (I thought she devoted her lifetime to studying the Black Ajah?) made a marvelous discovery that no other Aes Sedai has ever made in two thousand years based on some hypothetical events that exist only for the sake of reaching this conclusion, which enabled her to act uncharacteristically stupidly by killing herself when she could simply have used this miraculous discovery that was researched specifically for this purpose and to which she had devoted her last seventy years, ensuring said discovery will never be revealed to anybody, including the readers.

Or,

Verin chose the best solution she had based on the knowledge available to her.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1824 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1306 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 1116 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 1066 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 580 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 452 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 1191 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 1076 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 503 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 1041 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 658 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 914 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 957 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 1014 Views
You're going at it upside-down. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 983 Views
Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 979 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 964 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 1174 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 1137 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 1014 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 1019 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 1156 Views
Just having motivation is not enough redhand - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 1069 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 872 Views
I don't think those would work rAndy aL - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 994 Views
She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 1016 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 880 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. rAndy aL - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 1013 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 992 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 1098 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law redhand - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 859 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. Tom - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 1029 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 1033 Views
Re: I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. @my - 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM 1375 Views
Agreed. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 543 Views
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Re: Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:13:24 PM 1085 Views
Hey Mark. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 1001 Views
Great to see you again! vandevere - 09/12/2009 05:01:01 AM 1211 Views
Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 1044 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 657 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 906 Views
It's great to see you around again! Seriana Sedai - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 1029 Views
:'( j-whitt987 - 09/12/2009 11:29:03 PM 979 Views
Good to see you too. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 1033 Views
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Mine added up to many vet bills this week. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 07:22:40 AM 968 Views
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