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But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM
That fits with the Shadow's aim.

I think the DO doesn't really need such a foreign barbarian army (e.g. from Shara or the Land of the Madmen), because he has enough Shadowspawn coming south.

And considering the plot-mechanics, if the DO additionally had such a strong barbarian army somewhere, the Light probably had no chance at all.


The primary goal and ultimate aim is more simple - free the Dark One. Causing chaos seemed to occur as much as a result of Rand al'Thor's victories as it did as an after-effect of the Forsaken's actions. If the Forsaken could locate all the Seals and break them immediately, then they wouldn't have even bothered taking over the nations that they did.

The problem, from a plot mechanics standpoint, is that it really works either way - it is to the Dark One's benefit if Murandy stays destabilized as well as if a Forsaken took over there. But the main concern is that Graendal's task, destabilizing Arad Doman to such an extent that it could never be united, seems completely counter to what you suggest Demandred is doing. And we need to keep in mind that Mesaana and Semirhage were tasked with using far more powerful nations and factions while they were useful but with the ultimate goal of destroying them as soon as they were done. Uniting divided lands for the sake of marshalling them for Tarmon Gaidon just doesn't seem like a victory major enough to make the Dark One laugh. It would actually be more like a regression in scope from what we saw in the series.
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1406 Views
But it's still a small country - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 777 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 817 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 739 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 1031 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 755 Views
to confirm you - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 773 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 784 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 346 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 387 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 342 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 725 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 696 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 772 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 800 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 746 Views
Of course.. - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 754 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 864 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 726 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 794 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 703 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 694 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 736 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 704 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 710 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 910 Views
Well... - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 768 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 751 Views
It is insignificant. - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 706 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 714 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 736 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 335 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 718 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 351 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 346 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 714 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 707 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 707 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 703 Views
He doesn't? - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 690 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 715 Views
Surely you jest. - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 632 Views
Re: Surely you jest. - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 682 Views
Well that depends. - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 701 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 1129 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 716 Views
But that is exactly... - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 715 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 750 Views
Honestly, at this point - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 734 Views
In my view... - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 668 Views
Re: In my view... - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 711 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 843 Views
I think... - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 678 Views
You're right - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 719 Views
Interesting. - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 653 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 713 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 306 Views

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