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What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM
That fits with the Shadow's aim.

I think the DO doesn't really need such a foreign barbarian army (e.g. from Shara or the Land of the Madmen), because he has enough Shadowspawn coming south.

And considering the plot-mechanics, if the DO additionally had such a strong barbarian army somewhere, the Light probably had no chance at all.


The primary goal and ultimate aim is more simple - free the Dark One. Causing chaos seemed to occur as much as a result of Rand al'Thor's victories as it did as an after-effect of the Forsaken's actions. If the Forsaken could locate all the Seals and break them immediately, then they wouldn't have even bothered taking over the nations that they did.

The problem, from a plot mechanics standpoint, is that it really works either way - it is to the Dark One's benefit if Murandy stays destabilized as well as if a Forsaken took over there. But the main concern is that Graendal's task, destabilizing Arad Doman to such an extent that it could never be united, seems completely counter to what you suggest Demandred is doing. And we need to keep in mind that Mesaana and Semirhage were tasked with using far more powerful nations and factions while they were useful but with the ultimate goal of destroying them as soon as they were done. Uniting divided lands for the sake of marshalling them for Tarmon Gaidon just doesn't seem like a victory major enough to make the Dark One laugh. It would actually be more like a regression in scope from what we saw in the series.
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1386 Views
But it's still a small country - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 754 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 794 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 721 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 1008 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 728 Views
to confirm you - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 754 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 764 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 334 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 370 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 334 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 707 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 677 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 745 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 689 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 781 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 725 Views
Of course.. - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 731 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 824 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 703 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 773 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 684 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 674 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 711 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 685 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 690 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 891 Views
Well... - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 748 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 733 Views
It is insignificant. - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 685 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 696 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 711 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 328 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 697 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 341 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 335 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 689 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 687 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 683 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 678 Views
He doesn't? - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 661 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 700 Views
Surely you jest. - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 604 Views
Re: Surely you jest. - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 663 Views
Well that depends. - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 677 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 1103 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 696 Views
But that is exactly... - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 693 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 726 Views
Honestly, at this point - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 711 Views
In my view... - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 648 Views
Re: In my view... - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 691 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 818 Views
I think... - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 652 Views
You're right - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 692 Views
Interesting. - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 635 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 692 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 296 Views

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