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Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM
I agree that the bottom rung of AS are vastly weaker than the top tiers. I just think the main characters in the series are much closer to the top than to the bottom.

Nynaeve is in the top 1% of all women in strength, I'd even postulate that the female forsaken could all be in the top 10% with very little difference in total strength... I won't claim I think that's a fact, there's enough evidence to show that there could be as much as a 15% spread if you include Moghedien.

If there was all that much difference between Lanfear, Graendal and Mesaana it would have been noted by the BA women who have felt their strength. Sheriam only notes that there is a "very strong" woman outside of her tent, but she doesn't know which woman it is so IMO their strengths are close enough to be difficult to judge between them. If Mesaana was 20% lower than Graendal Sheriam would realize which FS was standing outside. Likewise, Alviarin notes that Graendal and Lanfear both allowed her to feel their strength, but rather than postulate that Mesaana must be weaker, she immediately jumps to Mesaana is posing as an AS.

Elayne's potential is probably about 25% weaker than this level (90), which puts her around a 65... Cadsuane another 15% below that would make her about a 55, Moiraine 15% below that makes her about a 45... then the smaller levels between AS start, Sheriam could be a 40 (10% less than Moiraine)... but by the time you get down to the bottom level AS you are at about a 15 (Daigian could be a 10), but there.
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 9494 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1939 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1877 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1681 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1766 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1344 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1984 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1657 Views
Indeed, and not only that - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1348 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1397 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 861 Views
why? - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1476 Views
Re: why? - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1536 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1503 Views
and yet RJ does - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1438 Views
Re: and yet RJ does - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1289 Views
Re: and yet RJ does - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1354 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1493 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1261 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 1170 Views
Meh... - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 1185 Views
Re: Meh... - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1252 Views
Re: Meh... - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1530 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1473 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1430 Views
Let's work with your figures... - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1307 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1293 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 830 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1393 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1420 Views
the obvious answer - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1266 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1293 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1242 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1433 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1534 Views
I think all the main characters were forced - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1400 Views
agreed! - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1309 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1330 Views
What? Where? *NM* - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1364 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1328 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1262 Views
Don't links amplify stength? - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1235 Views
The opposite, actually. - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1325 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1475 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1357 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 748 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1484 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1401 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1614 Views
uhm.... yes she knows - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1450 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1336 Views
yup *NM* - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 693 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1409 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1604 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1355 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1354 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1313 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1315 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1271 Views
agreed - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1246 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 759 Views
I'll check *NM* - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 704 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1363 Views
No people just interpret things differently - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 1176 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 1125 Views
You also forget something. - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1233 Views
Re: You also forget something. - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1233 Views
Re: You also forget something. - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1257 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1239 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 1148 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 1194 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 1161 Views
I cannot. That's the point... - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1218 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1237 Views
Sorry, but no... - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1249 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1729 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1228 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 1139 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 1162 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1218 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 1141 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 1111 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 1213 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1227 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 1122 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1309 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1264 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1332 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1299 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1267 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 1155 Views
Explain one thing to me... - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1188 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 659 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 1151 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1182 Views
Can you provide the quote? - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 1113 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1314 Views
which is also suspect - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1216 Views
No it's not - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 1179 Views
we're in agreement - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 1138 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1210 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 1172 Views
I don't think it's a lie - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1228 Views
Agreed - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 1178 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 1178 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 1138 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1206 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1249 Views
I've discussed this before... - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1258 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1275 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1234 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1255 Views
Why are you entertaining this? - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1200 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1209 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1240 Views
of course it's about skill - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1224 Views
Not it isn't! - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1255 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1344 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1441 Views

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