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Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM
Even the creator of the Myrddraal had no idea how/why/what their powers were! And we don't have any evidence at all of the shadowspawn were created using the TP! In fact given the reluctance of the Forsaken to use the TP except at great need I find it far more likely that Aginor used the OP to create them.


For example RJ said once: "The gholam - singular and plural are the same -were created, not bred. Supposedly their creation involved making them so that they would be obedient to the Chosen, whoever they might be at any given time. This was an attempt at copying something that had turned up in Myrddraal, which seem incapable of disobeying one of the Chosen, possibly because of the use of the True Power in creation of the Trollocs , the parent stock of the Myrddraal. Even Aginor, who created the Trollocs, and thus indirectly the Myrddraal, was uncertain about the actual cause."

That fits with Alviarin's TP mark from SH.

And it only makes sense that at least some of the special Shadowspawn abilities also stem from the TP, like obviously Grey Men, Fain and Slayer were changed by the TP, not the OP.

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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1851 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 443 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 452 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 822 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 782 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 803 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1050 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 824 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 829 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 741 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1004 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 926 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1876 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 745 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 799 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 398 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 680 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 781 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 845 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 827 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 823 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 897 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 750 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 737 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 845 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 753 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 719 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 649 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 729 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 653 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 696 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 739 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 803 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 696 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 740 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 961 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 691 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 675 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 736 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 829 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 787 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 741 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 711 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 819 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 840 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 958 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 900 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 800 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1043 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 370 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 848 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 750 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 942 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 915 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 672 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 710 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 648 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 746 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 622 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 714 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 380 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 594 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 835 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 898 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 806 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 719 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 654 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 632 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 432 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 898 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 723 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 725 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 695 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 749 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 775 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 690 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 436 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 399 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 395 Views
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