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Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM
Even the creator of the Myrddraal had no idea how/why/what their powers were! And we don't have any evidence at all of the shadowspawn were created using the TP! In fact given the reluctance of the Forsaken to use the TP except at great need I find it far more likely that Aginor used the OP to create them.


For example RJ said once: "The gholam - singular and plural are the same -were created, not bred. Supposedly their creation involved making them so that they would be obedient to the Chosen, whoever they might be at any given time. This was an attempt at copying something that had turned up in Myrddraal, which seem incapable of disobeying one of the Chosen, possibly because of the use of the True Power in creation of the Trollocs , the parent stock of the Myrddraal. Even Aginor, who created the Trollocs, and thus indirectly the Myrddraal, was uncertain about the actual cause."

That fits with Alviarin's TP mark from SH.

And it only makes sense that at least some of the special Shadowspawn abilities also stem from the TP, like obviously Grey Men, Fain and Slayer were changed by the TP, not the OP.

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Fain's Myrddraal - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2092 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 574 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 554 Views
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Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1076 Views
Key word - "possibly" - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 990 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 941 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 877 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 969 Views
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I think you've got it backwards - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 928 Views
However... - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 964 Views
I wasn't arguing that point - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1196 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 924 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 893 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 993 Views
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You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1040 Views
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Exactly. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 496 Views
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So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 987 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 879 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 981 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 842 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 942 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 487 Views
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Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1056 Views
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Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1055 Views
Re: Well... - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 978 Views
It becomes clear... - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 883 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 854 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 537 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1170 Views
As said... - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 960 Views
Re: As said... - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 948 Views
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makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1027 Views
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Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 547 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 516 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 490 Views

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