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Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM
Even the creator of the Myrddraal had no idea how/why/what their powers were! And we don't have any evidence at all of the shadowspawn were created using the TP! In fact given the reluctance of the Forsaken to use the TP except at great need I find it far more likely that Aginor used the OP to create them.


For example RJ said once: "The gholam - singular and plural are the same -were created, not bred. Supposedly their creation involved making them so that they would be obedient to the Chosen, whoever they might be at any given time. This was an attempt at copying something that had turned up in Myrddraal, which seem incapable of disobeying one of the Chosen, possibly because of the use of the True Power in creation of the Trollocs , the parent stock of the Myrddraal. Even Aginor, who created the Trollocs, and thus indirectly the Myrddraal, was uncertain about the actual cause."

That fits with Alviarin's TP mark from SH.

And it only makes sense that at least some of the special Shadowspawn abilities also stem from the TP, like obviously Grey Men, Fain and Slayer were changed by the TP, not the OP.

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Fain's Myrddraal - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1879 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 459 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 466 Views
But what was the purpose then? - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 850 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 806 Views
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Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 856 Views
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The explanations - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1031 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 956 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1903 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 775 Views
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Indeed *NM* - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 416 Views
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The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 814 Views
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The reasoning is very weak. - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 848 Views
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A few points - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 780 Views
You are wrong... - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 763 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 872 Views
Key word - "possibly" - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 779 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 750 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 677 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 758 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 681 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 725 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 764 Views
You confuse it a bit... - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 826 Views
I think you've got it backwards - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 725 Views
However... - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 767 Views
I wasn't arguing that point - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 989 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 721 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 706 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 763 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 856 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 814 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 768 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 737 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 849 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 868 Views
Well, I disagree of course... - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 982 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 931 Views
Actually... - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 828 Views
BWB says... - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1069 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 385 Views
Well... - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 877 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 776 Views
No... - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 973 Views
Re: No... - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 945 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 702 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 738 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 675 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 774 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 651 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 744 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 395 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 624 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 865 Views
I don't say... - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 927 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 836 Views
Re: Well... - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 750 Views
It becomes clear... - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 682 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 659 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 445 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 932 Views
As said... - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 753 Views
Re: As said... - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 751 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 722 Views
makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 799 Views
Re: makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 804 Views
I think... - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 717 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 449 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 412 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 409 Views

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