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I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM
Thus Ishamael can't duplicate their powers by using the TP. And he is far more powerful than any of the Shadowspawn with these abilities.


Or are you also disputing that SH made this mark with the TP?


I'm not sure how Aliviarin's mark (while obviously TP) is relevant to any of this... Her mark merely points her out as "property of the DO" so that Shadowspawn won't kill her... it so far hasn't been shown or discussed that it gives her any extra abilities.... or do you have another RJ quote up your sleeve for me :)


It's basically also a gift from the DO (or his Shadow-self SH), like e.g. Slayer or Fain got gifts from the DO, which are of course also granted by the TP.


Certainly Fain would disagree!

Alviarin's mark is more of a sign-post than anything else. As an AS it's doubtful she really needed the protection it offered anyway ... as I see it she's just a cow the DO put a Brand on as a warning to poachers.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2109 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 589 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 567 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1090 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 1067 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1100 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1314 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 1068 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1135 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 1022 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1289 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1223 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2151 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 1009 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 1059 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 517 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 975 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 1054 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1116 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 1082 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1089 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1191 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 1004 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 994 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1098 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 1009 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 987 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 898 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 992 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 896 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 939 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 997 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1052 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 945 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 981 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1220 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 941 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 914 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 1018 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1107 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1072 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 998 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 964 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1089 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1094 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1253 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1197 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1072 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1289 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 524 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1114 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 1029 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1231 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1208 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 930 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1014 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 900 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 1007 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 867 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 964 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 502 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 831 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1076 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1185 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1087 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 995 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 912 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 879 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 550 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1201 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 986 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 970 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 982 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1057 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 1044 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 938 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 558 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 528 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 497 Views
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