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I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM
Thus Ishamael can't duplicate their powers by using the TP. And he is far more powerful than any of the Shadowspawn with these abilities.


Or are you also disputing that SH made this mark with the TP?


I'm not sure how Aliviarin's mark (while obviously TP) is relevant to any of this... Her mark merely points her out as "property of the DO" so that Shadowspawn won't kill her... it so far hasn't been shown or discussed that it gives her any extra abilities.... or do you have another RJ quote up your sleeve for me :)


It's basically also a gift from the DO (or his Shadow-self SH), like e.g. Slayer or Fain got gifts from the DO, which are of course also granted by the TP.


Certainly Fain would disagree!

Alviarin's mark is more of a sign-post than anything else. As an AS it's doubtful she really needed the protection it offered anyway ... as I see it she's just a cow the DO put a Brand on as a warning to poachers.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1862 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 450 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 458 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 835 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 791 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 822 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1063 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 834 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 841 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 757 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1017 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 941 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1889 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 757 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 812 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 406 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 694 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 797 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 861 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 839 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 834 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 909 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 766 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 748 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 858 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 768 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 734 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 661 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 742 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 667 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 709 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 749 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 812 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 710 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 751 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 972 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 707 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 690 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 751 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 841 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 800 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 753 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 723 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 832 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 855 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 970 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 913 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 815 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1057 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 377 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 862 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 761 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 956 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 928 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 688 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 723 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 658 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 757 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 635 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 731 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 386 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 609 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 849 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 911 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 818 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 735 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 666 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 644 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 438 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 910 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 738 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 736 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 707 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 764 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 789 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 705 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 442 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 404 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 402 Views
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