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Nope randfandom Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM

Could it not be that from her hidden location, Granedal removed the compulsion. Since it wasn't too strong, Ramshalan's mind was not screwed, and Nynaeve was able to report that it was removed.

Notice that some time passed between Rand's balefiring of the palace and Nynaeve's testing of Ramshalan. That time is sufficient to account for the removal of the compulsion.


Compulsion causes permanent brain damage, the heavier the compulsion is, the more severe the damage. Elza seemed dazed and in shock after the compulsion put on her by Verin was removed. Nynaeve has forgotten some things due to the compulsion that was laid on her by Moghedien. Both their cases was mild, not "heavy", so how would Ramshalan appear scot free with heavy compulsion removed. Besides, removing compulsion is a long arduous process. It Nynaeve more than an hour. Graendal is an expert in laying compulsion but I don't think she'd do any better than Nynaeve in removing it.

Occam's razor states that the most simple obvious explanation is usually the best one. The only explanation that fits the facts is that the woman who put the compusion is dead.

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Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 05:44:12 PM 2631 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 1371 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM 1225 Views
Nynaeve's boat... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:23:57 PM 1191 Views
Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 1098 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 1037 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4783 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 1020 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 1071 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 1000 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 969 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 998 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 961 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 1050 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 1086 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 999 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 1067 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 1184 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 993 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 520 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 1018 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 953 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 896 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 1204 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 1046 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 1086 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 1071 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 528 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 1218 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 1095 Views
Re: Clearly dead Datakim - 05/01/2010 08:41:15 PM 1015 Views
I think... Etzel - 05/01/2010 09:05:48 PM 1051 Views
No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 07:31:12 PM 1109 Views
Re: No way. Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:31:54 PM 976 Views
Re: No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM 1050 Views
Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 505 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 946 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 956 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 502 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 515 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 1001 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 1089 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 1048 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 987 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 1031 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 943 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 952 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 1191 Views
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