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USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM

Compulsion causes permanent brain damage, the heavier the compulsion is, the more severe the damage. Elza seemed dazed and in shock after the compulsion put on her by Verin was removed. Nynaeve has forgotten some things due to the compulsion that was laid on her by Moghedien. Both their cases was mild, not "heavy", so how would Ramshalan appear scot free with heavy compulsion removed. Besides, removing compulsion is a long arduous process. It Nynaeve more than an hour. Graendal is an expert in laying compulsion but I don't think she'd do any better than Nynaeve in removing it.

Nynaeve herself says that the compulsion used on Ramshalan was different from the one used on Kerb, and was less strong. And Ramshalan was indeed shown to be confused after it was removed.

Also, it took Nynaeve a long time because she hadn't woven it, and was doing it for the first time with no teaching to fall back upon.

Semirhage, for example, definitely did not take one hour to remove's Elza's compulsion.

Occam's razor states that the most simple obvious explanation is usually the best one. The only explanation that fits the facts is that the woman who put the compusion is dead.


Use Occam's razor and tell me why Graendal had her slave Kerb poison the Domani merchant. Why did she send yet another of her compelled slaves to replace the one who was killed by the merchant. Wasn't she just reiterating the risk?
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Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 05:44:12 PM 2207 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM 970 Views
Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:15:41 PM 854 Views
Nynaeve's boat... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:23:57 PM 794 Views
Balefire is REALLY confusing. Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:41:05 PM 698 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:52:04 PM 663 Views
I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 08:45:52 PM 4406 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Shishka - 05/01/2010 09:23:06 PM 633 Views
Re: I'm somewhat surprised objects have threads. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2010 10:30:42 PM 665 Views
Wasn't there a quote somewhere BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:05:32 AM 584 Views
Probably a bit of retconning there by Brandon Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:34:55 PM 616 Views
BS is definitely wrong here BlackAdder - 06/01/2010 02:01:23 AM 629 Views
Re: BS is definitely wrong here Lord Haart - 06/01/2010 03:36:06 PM 597 Views
There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 07:00:31 PM 656 Views
Re: There is another way... Shishka - 05/01/2010 07:35:05 PM 676 Views
Re: There is another way... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2010 11:05:26 PM 597 Views
Nope randfandom - 06/01/2010 04:36:56 AM 685 Views
USe Occam's Razor yourself... fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:53:22 AM 792 Views
and why didn't she invert any of the weaves? darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 05:55:54 AM 619 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/01/2010 05:27:52 PM 334 Views
Maybe you cannot invert compulsion? Datakim - 06/01/2010 06:56:35 PM 653 Views
so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? seems a little darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:31:09 PM 570 Views
Re: so it's the one and only thing we've seen that can't be inverted? Datakim - 07/01/2010 12:02:00 AM 513 Views
I am inclined to agree with Datakim here. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2010 02:04:42 AM 825 Views
Why aren't inverted weaves standard practice? BlackAdder - 07/01/2010 01:24:09 AM 683 Views
Balefire is so confusing Datakim - 05/01/2010 07:03:29 PM 695 Views
Re: Balefire is so confusing Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:52:57 PM 657 Views
She's dead as a bloody doornail. Or whatever that saying is... *NM* lilltempest - 05/01/2010 07:20:36 PM 332 Views
Clearly dead Etzel - 05/01/2010 07:29:11 PM 824 Views
Re: Clearly dead Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:21:16 PM 698 Views
Re: Clearly dead Datakim - 05/01/2010 08:41:15 PM 661 Views
I think... Etzel - 05/01/2010 09:05:48 PM 655 Views
No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 07:31:12 PM 705 Views
Re: No way. Shishka - 05/01/2010 08:31:54 PM 606 Views
Re: No way. Gher - 05/01/2010 10:16:03 PM 631 Views
Graendal's as dead as BS/RJ makes her. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 06/01/2010 02:40:46 AM 311 Views
She's dead as dead gets. everynametaken - 06/01/2010 01:43:34 AM 583 Views
Dead is my bet Sidious - 06/01/2010 11:48:46 AM 597 Views
She's dead *NM* Simon - 06/01/2010 11:58:34 AM 307 Views
Dead. *NM* AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 03:58:19 PM 311 Views
I think she's alive. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 06:12:50 PM 619 Views
Compulsion is rather useless isn't it? Syraelle - 06/01/2010 07:44:42 PM 698 Views
It may take an exceptional Delver/Healer Gher - 06/01/2010 08:49:37 PM 668 Views
perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! darius_sedai - 06/01/2010 11:06:49 PM 605 Views
Re: perhaps, but still I have a hard time believing Graendal didn't invert the weaves! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 03:42:17 PM 632 Views
What if.. Tweak - 06/01/2010 10:41:44 PM 569 Views
I'll roll my eyes, and snort if she's alive Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:21:20 AM 594 Views
Well... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:24:39 AM 780 Views
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