SH can probably only influence DF in extensive ways (though I wonder if he still might do certain things like the black fire against all people).
kcf also reported: "This lead to lots of discussion about swearing to the Shadow – basically, it’s a very bad idea and you forfeit some very basic protections when you do. Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One, and the Forsaken in particular. I asked about Alviarin’s special mark, and he said Shaidar Haran has similar power over her. The implication is that there are lots of ramifications for swearing to the Dark One. Brandon mentioned that this makes Verin all the more remarkable."
And it was stated in another report:
"Brandon hinted at some severe limitations on Shaidar Haran to affect the physical world. He says that a lot of actions that people assume to be those of Shaidar Haran in the book in one particular scene were physically carried out by Elza. He further indicated that Shadar Haran would have been incapable of physically placing the collar himself."
It will be interesting to see, how SH's grow yet and if these limitations will eventually vanish.
kcf also reported: "This lead to lots of discussion about swearing to the Shadow – basically, it’s a very bad idea and you forfeit some very basic protections when you do. Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One, and the Forsaken in particular. I asked about Alviarin’s special mark, and he said Shaidar Haran has similar power over her. The implication is that there are lots of ramifications for swearing to the Dark One. Brandon mentioned that this makes Verin all the more remarkable."
And it was stated in another report:
"Brandon hinted at some severe limitations on Shaidar Haran to affect the physical world. He says that a lot of actions that people assume to be those of Shaidar Haran in the book in one particular scene were physically carried out by Elza. He further indicated that Shadar Haran would have been incapable of physically placing the collar himself."
It will be interesting to see, how SH's grow yet and if these limitations will eventually vanish.
Elza's Compulsion
- 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM
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I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story
- 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM
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I disagree
- 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM
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except work with Semirhage!
- 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM
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Well...
- 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM
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SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM*
- 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM
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Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM*
- 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM
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that's your interpretation of the quote
- 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM
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This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM*
- 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM
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As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes
- 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM
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The question is...
- 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM
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Re: The question is...
- 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM
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Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM*
- 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM
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I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that
- 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM
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BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though
- 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM
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always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently?
- 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM
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I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ...
- 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM
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That doesn't prove anything...
- 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
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Re: That doesn't prove anything...
- 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM
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not really
- 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM
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I don't understand your theory
- 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM
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It's very simple
- 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM
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So in other words
- 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM
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no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct
- 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM
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- 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM
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Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct
- 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM
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- 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM
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I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head
- 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM
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Here's Brandon's one answer
- 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM
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But...
- 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM
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But by this logic...
- 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM
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Yes...
- 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM
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While you are right...
- 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM
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as we've discussed in another thread
- 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM
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I mean...
- 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM
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Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL?
- 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM
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"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote.
- 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM
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Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM*
- 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM
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See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret...
- 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM
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Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later
- 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM
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Anything is possible ...
- 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM
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who knows
- 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM
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It's not all that convoluted, though ...
- 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM
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Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end
- 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM
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Good point!
- 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM
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what doesn't make sense about this to me
- 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM
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Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me
- 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM
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this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that
- 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM
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- 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM
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As it is often the case...
- 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM
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go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please.
- 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM
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Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story
- 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM
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Uhhh?
- 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM
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One point
- 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM
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Elza truly believes that...
- 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM
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Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion"
- 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM
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So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed.
- 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM
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Not quite
- 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM
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But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM*
- 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM
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