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I agree Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM
SH can probably only influence DF in extensive ways (though I wonder if he still might do certain things like the black fire against all people).

kcf also reported: "This lead to lots of discussion about swearing to the Shadow – basically, it’s a very bad idea and you forfeit some very basic protections when you do. Shaidar Haran has special power over those that swear to the Dark One, and the Forsaken in particular. I asked about Alviarin’s special mark, and he said Shaidar Haran has similar power over her. The implication is that there are lots of ramifications for swearing to the Dark One. Brandon mentioned that this makes Verin all the more remarkable."

And it was stated in another report:
"Brandon hinted at some severe limitations on Shaidar Haran to affect the physical world. He says that a lot of actions that people assume to be those of Shaidar Haran in the book in one particular scene were physically carried out by Elza. He further indicated that Shadar Haran would have been incapable of physically placing the collar himself."

It will be interesting to see, how SH's grow yet and if these limitations will eventually vanish.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2110 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1033 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 914 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 838 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 973 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 333 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 297 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 718 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 277 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 662 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 679 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 666 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 744 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 670 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 709 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 667 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1053 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 892 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 987 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 920 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 827 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 635 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 666 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 640 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 632 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 760 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 650 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 680 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 670 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 712 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 670 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 689 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 631 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 684 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 674 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1075 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 675 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 715 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 637 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 300 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 892 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 913 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 746 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 735 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 678 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 888 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 745 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 752 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 715 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 624 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 814 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 696 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 655 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 743 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 631 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 616 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 699 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 708 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 630 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 734 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 689 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 582 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 633 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 739 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 918 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 810 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 741 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 749 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 803 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 729 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 775 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 749 Views

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