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So in other words Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM

Could you please start at the beginning and tell me why a female Forsaken was involved in this scene?

From what I've read, and from Brandon's answers, SH arrived and did what he could and then he got Elza to go what he could not. It was those two alone.


Someone taught Elza AoL weaves enabling her to perform the tasks for SH, and someone figured out that she was under a Compulsion. We know SH in the past could not tell the difference between weaves so unless he's got a whole new array of abilities (which I acknowledge as possible), only one of the female Forsaken could have been responsible for Elza's knowledge.

Graendal is IMO the most likely since she's already in the area, is attached to Compulsion and was previously given orders to bring Rand pain ... this would seem like just another piece to that...


... if it's proven to us that SH can teach weaves, you'll drop the whole Graendal thing? I think that's the case. He can cut people off from the One Power - he must have other abilities.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2015 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 953 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 822 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 752 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 850 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 295 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 269 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 644 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 245 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 584 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 601 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 587 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 647 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 584 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 629 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 588 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 959 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 811 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 904 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 830 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 739 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 554 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 576 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 562 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 553 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 673 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 575 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 601 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 597 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 602 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 581 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 617 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 561 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 616 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 599 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 990 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 601 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 635 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 557 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 266 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 820 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 845 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 656 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 661 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 593 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 803 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 663 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 675 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 640 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 549 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 728 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 615 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 580 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 658 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 558 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 540 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 624 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 616 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 598 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 563 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 658 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 611 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 508 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 549 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 656 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 810 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 744 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 671 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 664 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 715 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 640 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 702 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 681 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 265 Views
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