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So in other words Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM

Could you please start at the beginning and tell me why a female Forsaken was involved in this scene?

From what I've read, and from Brandon's answers, SH arrived and did what he could and then he got Elza to go what he could not. It was those two alone.


Someone taught Elza AoL weaves enabling her to perform the tasks for SH, and someone figured out that she was under a Compulsion. We know SH in the past could not tell the difference between weaves so unless he's got a whole new array of abilities (which I acknowledge as possible), only one of the female Forsaken could have been responsible for Elza's knowledge.

Graendal is IMO the most likely since she's already in the area, is attached to Compulsion and was previously given orders to bring Rand pain ... this would seem like just another piece to that...


... if it's proven to us that SH can teach weaves, you'll drop the whole Graendal thing? I think that's the case. He can cut people off from the One Power - he must have other abilities.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2087 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1007 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 887 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 811 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 938 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 322 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 288 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 694 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 265 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 640 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 651 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 644 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 717 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 641 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 689 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 640 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1021 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 871 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 961 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 891 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 805 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 611 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 646 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 618 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 611 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 738 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 629 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 659 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 647 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 686 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 648 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 667 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 606 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 662 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 651 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1049 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 651 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 689 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 610 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 288 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 869 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 890 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 717 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 709 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 655 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 865 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 719 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 727 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 692 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 606 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 789 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 671 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 631 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 717 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 607 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 590 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 674 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 684 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 663 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 607 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 707 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 665 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 560 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 606 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 712 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 893 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 787 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 718 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 721 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 778 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 702 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 752 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 727 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 287 Views
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