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Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious Send a noteboard - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM

Says the guy who falls back on "Bonfire and Candles" ... now that one of her quotes refutes what you think it's "one quote early on by Moiraine"

To be honest I don't put a lot of stock in the theory either... just brought it up as a side note. In fact I don't put a lot of stock in Moiraine quotes from anything prior to TSR ... she was wrong far too often


I didn't say it was untrue - I'm saying you should actually look at the quote. It even goes something along the lines of 'some say she hid her true strength'. It's vague even when Moiraine says it.

In truth I think Lanfear did hide her strength most of the time by hiding her potential. Coupled with the fact that I think she is considerably stronger than all of the female Forsaken, I think most men and women underestimated her strength and were overwhelmed and killed.

well actually all they really have to do is tie off an inverted weave and never think about it again. And Mesaana is ever so credible

She thinks she can match Semirhage, and will be delivering an army of AS to the DO too...


*sigh* This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. Cyndane is the one channeler who's reduction in strength is reinforced to the point that it irritates us to be reminded of it again. What more do you need?

That doesn't tell us a whole lot, only that Cyndane lost some power (which we know), could have been through the loss of an angreal, which she immediately assumes Alivia is holding.


Because no woman can have a natural strength like Alivia threw at her. Channelers don't consider themselves reduced in strength when they lose their angreal or sa'angreal. Get a grip, man.
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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. Shishka - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM 3061 Views
It was discussed Etzel - 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM 1387 Views
Re: It was discussed Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM 1185 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM 1102 Views
Re: Maybe... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM 1162 Views
Yeah, that would be a possibility! *NM* Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:01:26 PM 1090 Views
That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM 1094 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM 1067 Views
I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM 1024 Views
The idea behind this theory is... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:15:19 AM 1245 Views
Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM 1120 Views
Plausible darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM 1210 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM 1061 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 10:17:02 PM 1157 Views
I'm so pleased this theory is false! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:00:06 PM 1003 Views
people didn't like it when I proposed it kcf - 20/01/2010 05:31:18 PM 1427 Views
Thanks. Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:36:58 PM 1224 Views
I don't like the idea that she was healed by a woman Skeeve the Great - 20/01/2010 05:48:19 PM 1180 Views
I agree, and it seems unlikely that a new "better" method darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:07:04 PM 1102 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body... Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM 1217 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM 1159 Views
I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM* Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM 652 Views
yet he moved away from LotR very early in the series *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:59:05 PM 609 Views
I also like that theory Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM 1134 Views
I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM 1138 Views
Yes perhaps Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:25:06 PM 1131 Views
Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM 1127 Views
Nope... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM 1129 Views
I disagree as usual darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM 1048 Views
We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM 1121 Views
You are comparing Male and female strength here darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM 1175 Views
Why do you misquote Moiraine? Shannow - 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM 1122 Views
Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM 1317 Views
Cadsuane isn't too strong Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM 1111 Views
Actually... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM 1111 Views
Re: Actually... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM 1135 Views
Sorry, that was the Glossary... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:07:56 PM 1001 Views
Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:05:23 AM 1178 Views
So Glossary or character? fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:22:15 PM 894 Views
Re: Actually... The_Archer - 12/12/2010 04:42:22 PM 1139 Views
Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM 1121 Views
Agree with both your comments... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM 1140 Views
Re: Agree with both your comments... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:24:16 PM 1154 Views
Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM 1111 Views
But seriously... Etzel - 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM 1018 Views
Re: But seriously... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM 1199 Views
I don't think it has to be so unique... Etzel - 21/01/2010 01:13:00 PM 1163 Views
Re: I don't think it has to be so unique... Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:49:42 PM 1170 Views
Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it... Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM 1252 Views
I think it makes more sense... Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM 1127 Views
Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation.. Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM 1126 Views
In her letter to Thom Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM 1144 Views
One other tiny thing Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 03:18:03 PM 1052 Views
Yes, and that is often overlooked Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:48:08 PM 1046 Views
That's my interpretation, also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM 1028 Views
Nods in agreement darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM 1166 Views
I think the "bubble of hope" was simply ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:08:44 PM 957 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 11:38:43 PM 618 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:43:53 PM 1192 Views
I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns beetnemesis - 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM 1130 Views
But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:50:14 PM 1140 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM 1395 Views
That idea has also been disproven ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM 1247 Views
Agreed... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:36:47 PM 1003 Views
Yeah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:43:24 PM 1130 Views
The closest I ever saw was the "Lightfriend/Purple Ajah" theory darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:46:20 PM 1370 Views
Yeah, the Verin revelation was cool... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:48:53 PM 1096 Views
Re: That idea has also been disproven ... callandor1000 - 21/01/2010 05:12:45 PM 1066 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM 1189 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM 1027 Views
Also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM 993 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM 1136 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 665 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM 1097 Views
Well, actually Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM 1023 Views
Re: Well, actually RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM 1052 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 707 Views
Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1380 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM 1120 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM 1121 Views
Re: I agree darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM 1033 Views
Re: I agree Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM 1209 Views
LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM 1057 Views
Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM 1189 Views
and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM 939 Views
It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong. *NM* Etzel - 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM 922 Views
I think... Etzel - 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM 1056 Views
Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM 966 Views
You are right... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM 1081 Views
Re: You are right... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 07:21:00 PM 1176 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong Sidious - 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM 1312 Views
Indeed, it's pretty idiotic. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 08:19:53 PM 568 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:51:08 PM 1097 Views
Re: Dude... Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:14:08 AM 1144 Views
Re: Dude... fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:21:15 PM 1282 Views
Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 11:19:16 PM 968 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:15:20 AM 1125 Views
Re: Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/01/2010 03:09:10 PM 1055 Views
Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 04:15:51 PM 1093 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM 1260 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential? Gher - 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM 1104 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM 678 Views
Agreed. *NM* Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:03:13 PM 590 Views
That's what I thought. *NM* Gher - 21/01/2010 10:05:38 PM 598 Views
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