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Two things come to mind... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM
I completely get the fact that people would expect a Compulsion weave to dissipate before being delved. I get the reason why, but can you imagine wanting it to show up just enough to be detected, but never confirmed.

Consider this....you are investigating a murder. You find a fingerprint which you know belongs to a certain person. The way that it is placed leaves no doubt that they are the killer (just flow with the analogy). However after you have examined it, the finger print gets destroyed and well is just unrecognizable. You didn't make a copy of it or anything like that. Now all you have is your word that you know who the suspect is. You have no proof of that.

It is the ultimate distraction. If you're believed, good on you. If not, then it sews much discord into the entire situation. Its a fantastic play if Graendal even had a bit of knowledge that Rand was on the hairy edge of psychotic paranoia.

Do I think that Graendal is dead? Yes....with the end of the series seriously close, I think that there just isn't enough time. If this had gone down in book 5...no way. I'd not count her out....but since we're almost done with the series, I think that she's toast. To qualify this, if she does show up in the next book, I won't be suprised.

Oh, and incidently, we have seen on screen two weaves both being unraveled/picked apart. They were both gateways originally. Aviendha picked apart her gateway from the Tarasin Palace to the countryside on the way to the Kin's Farm. She did this successfully with no repercussions. The other gateway was from the Kin's farm to an empty field in Andor near one of Elayne's estates. Elayne is the one who picked that weave apart. It did't work out, and she ended up with a nuke weave which destroyed both sides of the gateway for a goodly distance.

~Jeordam
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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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So your name is Graendal.... - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1881 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 804 Views
She very well... - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1180 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 657 Views
Re: She very well... - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1219 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 700 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 801 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 476 Views
Moghedien.... - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 932 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 925 Views
Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 1073 Views
Re: Yeah..... - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 840 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 1100 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 820 Views
Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 939 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 493 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 900 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 848 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 817 Views
That's still extremely faint. - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 844 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 875 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 845 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 1048 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 937 Views
*nods* - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 761 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 447 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 626 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 487 Views
The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced. - 09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM 1001 Views
Yes, pretty much. - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 923 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1214 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 976 Views
Come on now.... - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 1096 Views
IMO - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 906 Views
This could go either way.... - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 1043 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 1048 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 919 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 944 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 511 Views
Danke for clarification. - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 776 Views
The thing is... - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 919 Views
Its still a game... - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 959 Views
I could buy... - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 879 Views
Please, - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 900 Views
*ha* - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 875 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 864 Views
So what would you say... - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 855 Views
Wow. - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 911 Views
Never underestimate.... - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 815 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 454 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 949 Views
Hah! - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 788 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 435 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 979 Views
... - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 870 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 1015 Views
That's ridiculous - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 892 Views
Hold on now.... - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 1047 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 868 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 916 Views
Re: Hold on now.... - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 836 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 802 Views
Kind of - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 933 Views
I disagree. - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 769 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 1052 Views
Two things come to mind... - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 968 Views
I don't really think this is relevant - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 883 Views
There's a difference.... - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 939 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 909 Views
*grins* - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 938 Views
But again... - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 850 Views
sure we do - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 797 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 794 Views
But here's the thing... - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 903 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 796 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 1034 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 797 Views
... - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 846 Views
Re: ... - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 836 Views
But - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 951 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 1093 Views
Hrm - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 1017 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 879 Views
Thanks *NM* - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 469 Views
Now try and not lynch me... - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 889 Views
But that's not how it happened - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 862 Views

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