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This thought is so grotesque... Etzel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM
You die before you can write the scene but you are quite explicit in your notes and outline that Rand thinks he kills a Forsaken earlier, but this Forsaken appears again in the second act to taunt him, just as Ishamael did, but more effectively since it is closer to Tarmon Gaidon.


That we might really find out in ToM or AMoL that Graendal sneaked away before Rand balefired the palace. On a re-read of this scene TGS we would then laugh about Rand's pretentious & ridiculous explanation how to outsmart someone like Graendal, because - as we know now - it isn't possible at all and Rand is just an idiot to try it.
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So your name is Graendal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 04:38:42 PM 1457 Views
First off.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:51:46 PM 699 Views
Re: First off.... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 05:09:06 PM 522 Views
Nice Sidious - 03/02/2010 05:46:45 PM 606 Views
Well we know she has a weather/temperature warding screen around her palace RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 05:58:27 PM 525 Views
Not really Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:02:27 PM 500 Views
Re: Not really RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:12:05 PM 631 Views
There's one other possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:42:25 PM 611 Views
But... Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 01:03:05 AM 491 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:19:56 AM 666 Views
Point granted. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:56:19 AM 669 Views
Read the books Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:47:23 PM 640 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:13:00 PM 658 Views
Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:27 PM 584 Views
Yeah, that's why I figured I'd post my Sidious wish-fulfillment theory below . Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:44:22 PM 623 Views
Thanks! And I just copy pasted... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:03:21 PM 485 Views
Is it really that plausible? Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:18:25 AM 501 Views
Ahhh, but... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:22:46 AM 586 Views
Re: Ahhh, but... Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:40:40 PM 509 Views
So your name is Robert Jordan Etzel - 03/02/2010 05:53:43 PM 805 Views
But unfortunately and tragically... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:01:15 PM 580 Views
This thought is so grotesque... Etzel - 03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM 553 Views
Re: This thought is so grotesque... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 07:40:01 PM 553 Views
Actually no Forsaken has ever beaten or outsmarted Rand in a confrontation before. Etzel - 03/02/2010 08:50:41 PM 556 Views
Uhhh... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM 669 Views
Yeah, but... Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM 529 Views
But I think you're misreading the rules of the game. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM 470 Views
Rand considers... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:10:59 AM 472 Views
I don't think.... Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:11:03 PM 639 Views
O_O RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:25:17 PM 509 Views
Yeah, and this is exactly what we see when Rand kills Graendal with a force of light. *NM* Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:29:08 PM 206 Views
When Rand thinks that he kills.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:34:41 PM 501 Views
Well, then we agree, I also think Graendal is definitely dead! *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:06:31 AM 218 Views
He defeats every Forsaken because he doesn't play their game Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:23:23 AM 613 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:11:51 AM 586 Views
I think there is a sexual dynamic here RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 04:45:49 PM 495 Views
Bingo Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:03:19 PM 586 Views
That is not true.. fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:50:18 PM 639 Views
This was a typical... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:17:56 AM 464 Views
There was nothing typical about it! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:48:16 PM 613 Views
Rand wasn't at all afraid of Graendal Etzel - 04/02/2010 09:22:53 PM 560 Views
Of course he was! Even Nynaeve and Min noticed! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:32:52 PM 625 Views
Re: That is not true.. Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:57:56 PM 722 Views
There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM 722 Views
But RJ/BS brike convention in this book... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:52:44 PM 644 Views
So your name is Basel Gill. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:53:13 AM 525 Views
So your name is Sidious Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:57:46 AM 622 Views
Just use the TARDIS. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/02/2010 05:04:52 AM 328 Views
Re: So your name is Sidious Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:48:52 PM 479 Views
You're offering me a throne? Thanks Siddy, you're my favourite archnemesis! Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:16:54 PM 581 Views
A throne of beetles Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:58 PM 526 Views
How exactly do you fashion a throne out of live beetles? Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:46:42 PM 539 Views
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