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Hrm Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM
And heavy Compulsion of the variety Graendal uses is said to be much more damaging.



True, but we don't know what Graendal (or others for that matter) is capable of here ... in all likelihood Ituralde has been under a very subtle Compulsion for months without any real damage to him.


Because the Compulsion, if it exists, hasn't been removed ;)


Yes, but the point is that it's clearly very subtle as there have been no changes to his base personality. Much like Rhamshalan was under a very subtle Compulsion when he came back to Rand.


My sole contention regards what happens when the Compulsion is lifted (and why I believe Rhamshalan's Compulsion was not lifted but rather removed before it existed). We've seen that even very mild Compulsion has some effect on the mind when it is removed.

However, I don't know if that's really a fair statement you're making. We don't really know if there's changes to Ituralde's personality or not (since we don't meet him until after this Compulsion, if it exists, would have been set), and similarly don't have enough evidence of Rhamshalan at all either before or after the Compulsion was set to know if there are any personality changes.


But you are correct, he could be acting totally differently for all we really know... but we have seen both Cyndane and Moghedien released from Graendal's grip with absolutely no effect to them.


Wow, I'm not remembering their being Compulsed by her at all. I'm slooooooooooooooowly working my way through a reread though (just started PoD recently) so I will look out for this. I wonder if that's a mindtrap issue...
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