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Uhhh... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM
It simply makes no sense that - of all people - Graendal (who was even easily outsmarted by Sammael) achieved that this late in the series, so that Rand still has to deal with her in an ever smarter way in the next books.


So how did Sammael outsmart her? She did outlive him for one, and she knew what he was up to for two.

Lanfear and Asmodean did outsmart Rand. Rand was completely caught off guard by the Dragons on Couldin's arms. But beyond that, he was completely wrong on who Lanfear was posing as.

But here's something to ponder...how much of Rand's success is based upon his awsomeness, and not on ta'varen twisting of fate? Rhavin would have killed Rand, if Nynaeve didn't act. An action she could only have done if they went to the Dreamworld in the flesh...something that Rhavin just happened to do.

Lanfear would have killed Rand in her own suprise attack if not for Moiraine's actions.

Rand would have been killed by Mashadar in Shadar Logoth if not for Moridin's intervention. Sammael's gamble to take the fight there would have worked.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't consider the Forsaken bumbling fools. Instead they are a house divided against itself. If they worked as a team...for the good of all and the glory of no individual, they would have rolled over the forces of the light. Let us remember that back in the War of Power, the Light was loosing. Hence the despiration plan of LTT.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 04:38:42 PM 1455 Views
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Nice Sidious - 03/02/2010 05:46:45 PM 606 Views
Well we know she has a weather/temperature warding screen around her palace RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 05:58:27 PM 522 Views
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There's one other possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:42:25 PM 611 Views
But... Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 01:03:05 AM 490 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:19:56 AM 663 Views
Point granted. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:56:19 AM 666 Views
Read the books Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:47:23 PM 636 Views
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Yeah, that's why I figured I'd post my Sidious wish-fulfillment theory below . Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:44:22 PM 621 Views
Thanks! And I just copy pasted... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:03:21 PM 485 Views
Is it really that plausible? Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:18:25 AM 499 Views
Ahhh, but... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:22:46 AM 582 Views
Re: Ahhh, but... Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:40:40 PM 506 Views
So your name is Robert Jordan Etzel - 03/02/2010 05:53:43 PM 805 Views
But unfortunately and tragically... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:01:15 PM 577 Views
This thought is so grotesque... Etzel - 03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM 550 Views
Re: This thought is so grotesque... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 07:40:01 PM 550 Views
Actually no Forsaken has ever beaten or outsmarted Rand in a confrontation before. Etzel - 03/02/2010 08:50:41 PM 555 Views
Uhhh... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM 666 Views
Yeah, but... Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM 528 Views
But I think you're misreading the rules of the game. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM 467 Views
Rand considers... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:10:59 AM 470 Views
I don't think.... Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:11:03 PM 638 Views
O_O RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:25:17 PM 505 Views
Yeah, and this is exactly what we see when Rand kills Graendal with a force of light. *NM* Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:29:08 PM 205 Views
When Rand thinks that he kills.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:34:41 PM 498 Views
Well, then we agree, I also think Graendal is definitely dead! *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:06:31 AM 218 Views
He defeats every Forsaken because he doesn't play their game Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:23:23 AM 610 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:11:51 AM 583 Views
I think there is a sexual dynamic here RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 04:45:49 PM 493 Views
Bingo Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:03:19 PM 582 Views
That is not true.. fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:50:18 PM 636 Views
This was a typical... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:17:56 AM 462 Views
There was nothing typical about it! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:48:16 PM 611 Views
Rand wasn't at all afraid of Graendal Etzel - 04/02/2010 09:22:53 PM 558 Views
Of course he was! Even Nynaeve and Min noticed! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:32:52 PM 623 Views
Re: That is not true.. Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:57:56 PM 720 Views
There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM 720 Views
But RJ/BS brike convention in this book... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:52:44 PM 640 Views
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Just use the TARDIS. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/02/2010 05:04:52 AM 328 Views
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You're offering me a throne? Thanks Siddy, you're my favourite archnemesis! Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:16:54 PM 579 Views
A throne of beetles Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:58 PM 524 Views
How exactly do you fashion a throne out of live beetles? Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:46:42 PM 537 Views
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