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Re: That is not true.. Sidious Send a noteboard - 04/02/2010 03:57:56 PM
That makes no sense. With this being the last battle, and this section of the book focusing on the struggle for Rand's soul, you want to up the ante, not reduce the tension by killing off one more Foresaken.

If RJ was trying to make the point that "hard-Rand" couldn't succeed, then having Graendal escape him would drive the point all the harder.

Imagine Rand's surprise and chagrin when he realizes that all those lives sacrificed, all that stability in the Pattern lost, was for nothing.

In his current mental state, of course, he'd be able to face that defeat, but it must still be a defeat.

After all, the rules were already broken in that Rand's coming proved to be worse for Arad Doman than his absence. That is something RJ never did before.

Thus, it wouldn't be surprising at all if RJ broke the trend of Rand killing the Forsaken as well.


RJ doesn't break trends - he's a man set in his ways. If he wanted up up the ante for the Last Battle, why did he kill Semirhage? She is undoubtedly one of the most well established characters of terror in the series, and he removed her quite casually. There's no reason to say that RJ would give Graendal a greater degree of reverence.

The Forsaken always lose totally and utterly against Rand. There is rarely a sacrifice on the part of the Light. I find it completely plausible that RJ would remove Graendal in this way. You'd think he'd hold back his strongest Forsaken for the Last Battle, but even you say that the trend is against this. He's got Demandred for the Last Battle, and I've long predicted that he will meet a pathetic end - just like the other 13. It's all very saccharin and romantic.
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