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Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack Send a noteboard - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM
Brilliant theory (Bob's), and you put a nice point on it.

But I have one question about the hallway.

Rand killed Rahvin with Balefire. Enough balefire to remove everything Rahvin did for some time (like killing Mat). Even effects on objects gets removed (like the Darkhound's on Mats door when Rand BF'ed them).

Rand ducked Rahvin's balefire in the hallway. When Rand kills Rahvin, the damage to the hallway should be gone, since it happened after Mat was killed. But it isn't. Which seems impossible to me.

The balefire damage must be Rand's, since it is still there. Rahvin's would be gone. And Rand didn't duck his own balefire.

Ergo, 3 and 7 aren't in the same place.Which doesn't necessarily disprove any part of the theory, just the map.

Seems intuitively obvious to me, unless I am misremembering the Rahvin encounter, or the balefire rules.


As I understand balefire rules, balefire cannot undo balefire. So no matter how hard you balefire someone, you can't undo the damage they've done with balefire, even if you can undo the non-balefire damage they've done.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1950 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 720 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 773 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 861 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 609 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 884 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 701 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 292 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 537 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 582 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 631 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 634 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 604 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 604 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 610 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 544 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 575 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 586 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 589 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 643 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 664 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 613 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 581 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 618 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 607 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 575 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 585 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 629 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 564 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 594 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 572 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 617 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 287 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 638 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 568 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 540 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 523 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 671 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 274 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 584 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 604 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 592 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 579 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 564 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 685 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 570 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 574 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 288 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 572 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 642 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 595 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 502 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 522 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 540 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 559 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 580 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 540 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 536 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 584 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 535 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 519 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 538 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 627 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 512 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 548 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 540 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 536 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 255 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 543 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 245 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 548 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 552 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 589 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 264 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 242 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 584 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 532 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 591 Views
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