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So... Etzel Send a noteboard - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM
You simply interpreted the clues concerning Slayer wrongly at the time before LoC (namely that you didn't think he is an assassin and can use TAR in the flesh), but insist that your wrong view was the only legitimate way to explain Slayer.


I make neither of the assumptions you try to credit me with. I said there is no reason to believe that Slayer can use the Dreamworld to jump through space in the real world, which is not interpretation, it is fact. I also said that there was reason to believe that he couldn't, which is also fact.

That you are reduced to calling fact-based reasoning 'ridiculous' as compared to random assumption only serves to demonstrate how untenable your position is.

It would be quite simple to invalidate my point here, just provide anything from books earlier than Lord of Chaos that indicates that Slayer can travel through real space by using the Dreamworld. But apparently, you can't.


You agree at least that it's possible to deduce before LoC that Slayer is a deadly assassin/bounty hunter/hitman of the Shadow and uses TAR in the flesh? And you also agree that it's possible to deduce that Slayer and Luc are the same being? (e.g. both have the inhuman smell and suffer from Perrin's shot)

If you agree with this, your only problem seems to have been, how Slayer can use TAR in the flesh. You apparently (wrongly) thought that Luc is some kind of Dreamwalker, but instead of him entering TAR in the dream, the dead Isam is then somehow in TAR " in the flesh" (although he is dead..), like a Hero of the Horn, or something like that. Irrespective of the question if your idea makes any sense (in my view, it doesn't), I believe one could possibly also come up with the (actually correct!) idea that the DO gave LuC/Slayer the ability to enter TAR in the flesh at one point in the World and exist TAR again at any point, basically like a channeler can use TAR with a Gateway (we see that creatures of the Shadow often have channeler-like abilities). In this case Slayer could of course also use TAR to travel distances in the Real World, which would e.g. better explain how can Slayer quickly reach the Blight to get more Shadowspawn and quickly return to the Two Rivers or how he finds his victims. Naturally to have such an ability would make sense for someone, who was precisely created to make assassinations, namely to "course and kill". It would also explain the strange assassinations in the Stone and the WT, which apparently weren't done by a normal Gray Man, but by a special assassin.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 2087 Views
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From memory, but can't find the URL - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 692 Views
Here: - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 678 Views
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Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 740 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 687 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 736 Views

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