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by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM
One minute Rand is speaking to Nynaeve in TAR, the next time we see Rand he's back in the waking world. We don't see him leave TAR in a different physical space than where he entered.


Plus,when Ishy was killed in the flesh in the end of TDR, his corpse was in the Real World where he was killed in TAR; also Rand left TAR to the point in the Real World where he was in TAR before.


He is seen leaving the palace and heading outside.

As for the TDR scene, it's vague since we don't know exactly where they entered TAR or how they left TAR (it's clearly not Traveling since Rand magically reappears without making a Gateway).

TDR
What is written in Prophesy

And then he was in the Heart of the Stone again, stalking through the rubbled gap that had been a wall. Some of the columns hung like broken teeth, now. And Ba'alzamon backed away from him, eyes burning, shadow cloaking him. Black lines like steel wires seemed to run off from Ba'alzamon into the darkness mounding around him, vanishing into unimaginable heights and distances within that blackness.

"I will not be undone!" Ba'alzamon cried. His mouth was fire; his shriek echoed among the columns. "I cannot be defeated! Aid me!" Some of the darkness shrouding him drifted into his hands, formed into a ball so black it seemed to soak up even the light of Callandor. Sudden triumph blazed in the flames of his eyes.

"You are destroyed!" Rand shouted. Callandor spun in his hands. Its light roiled the darkness, severed the steel-black lines around Ba'alzamon, and Ba'alzamon convulsed. As if there were two of him he seemed to dwindle and grow larger at the same time. "You are undone!" Rand plunged the shining blade into Ba'alzamon's chest.

Ba'alzamon screamed, and the fires of his face flared wildly. "Fool!" he howled. "The Great Lord of the Dark can never be defeated!"

Rand pulled Callandor's blade free as Ba'alzamon's body sagged and began to fall, the shadow around him vanishing.

And suddenly Rand was in another Heart of the Stone, surrounded by columns still whole, and fighting men screaming and dying, veiled men and men in breastplates and helmets. Moiraine still lay crumpled at the base of a redstone column. And at Rand's feet lay the body of a man, sprawled on its back with a hole burned through the chest. He might have been a handsome man in his middle years, except that where his eyes and mouth should have been were only pits from which rose tendrils of black smoke.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1726 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 507 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 518 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 514 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 399 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 536 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 457 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 186 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 324 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 355 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 388 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 392 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 371 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 383 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 370 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 356 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 359 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 376 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 345 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 394 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 400 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 373 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 356 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 386 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 388 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 348 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 365 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 392 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 330 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 382 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 344 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 389 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 196 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 425 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 352 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 333 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 318 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 436 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 180 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 354 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 355 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 337 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 385 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 345 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 444 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 348 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 339 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 193 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 344 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 363 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 341 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 304 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 311 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 323 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 314 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 321 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 323 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 301 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 340 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 321 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 304 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 318 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 403 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 301 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 325 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 312 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 323 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 154 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 320 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 150 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 322 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 334 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 367 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 167 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 143 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 344 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 320 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 368 Views
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