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Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM
On the other hand, Graendal only became a real major villian since LoC. Before TFoH she basically wasn't even mentioned, and in TFoH we just see Graendal in two scenes among other, at this time much more prominent and profiled Forsaken, namely Lanfear, Sammael and Rahvin.


Yet we didn't really know Slayer's full nature until much later. Even his "job" as Shadow assassin was vague at best until much later when he tells us.

We did know Graendal had knowledge of Rands timelines, had plausible reason for being in the Palace, would recognize Asmo on sight and had the means to kill him and vanish with non the wiser. Reversed weaves and masked ability would ensure Aviendha wouldn't have felt her Gateway or potentially Balefire.

One more reason I have that comes later in the series is that Slayer doesn't reveal killing Asmo when he thinks back on his "prized kills". In contrast, Graendal often thinks about the other Forsaken and either knows what they are up to, or complains that she is unaware... oh and she's fully aware that Asmodean is dead since she knows there are only 8 left...

TGS
Prologue

That man frustrated her, though she would never admit it out loud. Mesaana was in the White Tower, pretending to be one of what passed for an Aes Sedai in this Age. She was obvious and easy to read; Graendal's agents in the White Tower kept her well apprised of Mesaana's activities. And, of course, Graendal's own newly minted association with Aran'gar was helpful as well. Aran'gar was playing with the rebel Aes Sedai, the ones who were besieging the White Tower.

Yes, Mesaana did not confuse her, and the others were equally easy to track. Moridin was gathering the Great Lord's forces for the Last Battle, and his war preparations left him very little time for the south—though his two minions, Cyndane and Moghedien, occasionally showed their faces there. They spent their time rallying the Darkfriends and occasionally trying follow Moridin's orders that the two ta'veren—Perrin Aybara and Matrim Cauthon--be killed.

She was certain Sammael had fallen to Rand al'Thor during the struggle for Illian. In fact—now that Graendal had a clue that Semirhage had been pulling strings with the Seanchan—she was confident she knew the plans of every one of the other seven remaining Chosen.


Seems odd that Graendal knows he's dead (she qualifies her thought on Sammael, but not Asmo) when no one else is at all sure.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1726 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 507 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 518 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 516 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 399 Views
Fair enough.... - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 536 Views
I think... - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 457 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 187 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 324 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 356 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 389 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 392 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 371 Views
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The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 370 Views
Correction... - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 357 Views
So, basically... - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 359 Views
The clues are there? - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 376 Views
Re: The clues are there? - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 346 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 394 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 401 Views
Apparently... - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 374 Views
No it isn't. - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 356 Views
You don't understand... - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 387 Views
Re: You don't understand... - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 388 Views
Re: You don't understand... - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 348 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 365 Views
Both merged into one being - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 393 Views
Not what I asked. - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 331 Views
If he couldn't do this... - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 382 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 345 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 390 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 196 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 425 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 352 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 334 Views
Dude - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 319 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 437 Views
be nice *NM* - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 181 Views
One last time... - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 355 Views
Re: One last time... - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 355 Views
No... - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 337 Views
Re: No... - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 385 Views
So... - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 345 Views
Re: So... - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 444 Views
Egwene did it though - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 349 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 340 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 193 Views
But we don't actually see that - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 344 Views
Hmm. True, that. - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 304 Views
I see what you are saying now - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 311 Views
Yep - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 323 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 315 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 322 Views
First rule of balefire: - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 323 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 340 Views
On the servants theory - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 321 Views
Rand's odd wounds - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 305 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 403 Views
RJ said that. *NM* - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 302 Views
Do you have that quote handy? - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 325 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 312 Views
Here: - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 323 Views
thanks! good job *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 154 Views
You dont address all the criteria - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 320 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 150 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 322 Views
Exactly my point. - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 334 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 367 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 167 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 143 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 344 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 320 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 369 Views

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