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Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack Send a noteboard - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM
Brilliant theory (Bob's), and you put a nice point on it.

But I have one question about the hallway.

Rand killed Rahvin with Balefire. Enough balefire to remove everything Rahvin did for some time (like killing Mat). Even effects on objects gets removed (like the Darkhound's on Mats door when Rand BF'ed them).

Rand ducked Rahvin's balefire in the hallway. When Rand kills Rahvin, the damage to the hallway should be gone, since it happened after Mat was killed. But it isn't. Which seems impossible to me.

The balefire damage must be Rand's, since it is still there. Rahvin's would be gone. And Rand didn't duck his own balefire.

Ergo, 3 and 7 aren't in the same place.Which doesn't necessarily disprove any part of the theory, just the map.

Seems intuitively obvious to me, unless I am misremembering the Rahvin encounter, or the balefire rules.


As I understand balefire rules, balefire cannot undo balefire. So no matter how hard you balefire someone, you can't undo the damage they've done with balefire, even if you can undo the non-balefire damage they've done.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 2012 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 788 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 839 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 958 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 670 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 960 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 762 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 323 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 587 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 650 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 681 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 709 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 674 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 671 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 672 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 609 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 643 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 669 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 658 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 722 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 749 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 689 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 639 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 678 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 693 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 632 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 660 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 690 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 627 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 661 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 632 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 685 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 312 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 698 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 647 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 606 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 577 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 738 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 308 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 653 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 671 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 667 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 653 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 622 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 757 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 642 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 647 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 319 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 642 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 726 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 665 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 552 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 584 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 607 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 618 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 656 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 620 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 608 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 646 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 595 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 595 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 595 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 697 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 585 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 612 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 603 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 598 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 287 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 621 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 280 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 618 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 616 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 651 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 300 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 274 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 645 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 598 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 666 Views
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