Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
Cockatiel of Doom Send a noteboard - 16/09/2010 04:02:04 AM
Somehow I always forget that this is where the rift between Percy and his family actually happens. Percy is interesting to me. He's so smart and capable but so oblivious to the fact that he is being used. I know how Percy can't see that he's being used by Fudge, but I think it's really sad that he doesn't trust his parents more than he craves being successful. It's ironic that he's the example the twins have been encouraged to aspire to but they are far better people.
I know. He's so obsessed with following the rules to get ahead that he can't see where it's leading him. I don't think he's a bad person... but clearly misguided.
Reading the section where they are cleaning out the cupboard in the drawing room and Harry says Kreacher uses words he'd not heard before reminded me of something I like about Rowling's writing. She lets the adults fill in the blanks for profanity that characters would use but that way the kids aren't exposed to it. Just another aspect of her talent of suggestion I guess.
I agree. I think it shows good writing when authors don't have to be extreme or explicit to get their point across. Like you said, adults will know what she means (and probably a lot of kids too) so there is no need to come out and say it.
Indeed. It's a technique she uses a fair bit (there was another point somewhere in the chapters where Harry swears under his breath or some such). Although sometimes I'd like to know what exactly they're saying -- I'm sure wizards have some interesting curse words.
Taking a break from being Ella
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Five - The Order of the Phoenix
- 13/09/2010 09:14:51 PM
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Monday 13 September: chapters 1-3 - Dementors, owls and a daring rescue. *NM*
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New characters and characters old.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
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Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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Re: Going to try to be succinct here and not get into endless back-and-forths... we'll see.
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News / Petunia / Snape / Tonks
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Having trouble with quotes?
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If you are having trouble with quotes, you can set it up so it always does the paragraphs thing.
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I know
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*NM*
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It wasn't you I was talking to.
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*NM*
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Then why did you reply to me?
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To subtly point out that if you were going to make that remark, you could also have given the tip.
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Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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Re: Thanks, that was driving me nuts and I had to actually get back to work...
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You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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Re: You were just showing off with your reply weren't you? Segmenting the quotes like that.
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A question around that.
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Re: A question around that.
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Yeah, maybe my timing is off there. No biggie, in the grand scheme of things.
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After the end of OotP, it's widely known he's back.
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I think I remember now
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I was thinking there were some smaller attacks / break ins that got similar treatment here.
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Re: New characters and characters old.
- 14/09/2010 08:08:34 AM
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The Dursleys.
- 15/09/2010 01:23:18 AM
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Plotplotplot (plot makes a funny noise when you say it like that).
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Other stuff.
- 13/09/2010 09:22:53 PM
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two questions.
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Answers
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Surprisingly many hilarious little things for a book that's gonna be as dark as this one.
- 14/09/2010 10:11:54 AM
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That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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Re: That is why I love it so much.
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He's incredibly blind, our Harry.
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I don't find it annoying, really.
- 19/09/2010 07:27:11 PM
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Wednesday 15 September: chapters 4-6 *NM*
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Characters: still interesting? *NM*
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Yes
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You write your posts out in Word and then copypaste them? Why?
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No. I don't even have Word.
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Sirius and Sirius' mother.
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Plot: how's that coming along? *NM*
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tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Re: tragically?
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Yes. And the one who will get the fantastic line at the end of the book. *NM*
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I have forgotten that
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Well, it may not be that fantastic, but it's pretty amusing.
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Oh I thought you were talking about the one where he tells the Minister
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Re: tragically?
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Other things: ? *NM*
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Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Re: Percy and Rowling's handling of profanity.
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Friday 17 September: The Ministry of Magic, Harry's Hearing, and that thing with Mrs Weasley
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The plot thickens.
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A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Re: A few thoughts
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Lots of things happening in here that come back up in future books
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Re: Lots of things happening in here that comes back up in future books
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Timing messed up again.
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Re: Timing messed up again.
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Well...
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Re: Well...
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It's like those old chip commercials. It's hard to just read one.
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Character development.
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Mrs. Weasley
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Agree here, but I can understand why she's cracking up a bit.
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Don't know if you noticed it, but the death of her brothers is actually mentioned here.
- 17/09/2010 04:56:01 PM
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That's a good catch. I remember reading it, but don't think I connected it back to the Weasleys.
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I don't know how I missed it.
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I believe we never get her maiden name in the series itself - it's from some family tree or the like
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Are you sure?
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No. I could be wrong. But I wouldn't know where to look for it, if so.
- 19/09/2010 07:29:18 PM
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According to the HP Wiki at Wikia, there should be a more explicit mention of it in book seven. *NM*
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Mr. Weasley
- 17/09/2010 04:54:49 PM
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He is lovely.
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His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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Re: His shifts between the two are handled nicely.
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It's cheesy. *NM*
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Yeah, kind of cheesy, but I still enjoyed it. Should we table this for the DH reread? *NM*
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Other things of note.
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Monday 20 September: chapters 10-12 ~ Back to school *NM*
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Characters: Luna, Umbridge and the Sorting Hat *NM*
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Draco, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Harry, Umbridge and McGonnagall
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I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Re: I think McGonagall kind of fails there.
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Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Re: Maybe she doesn't realize all that, but really, how much effort does it take to be clear?
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Oh, I think it is.
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Weasley goodness.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM*
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Not much in these chapters
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Oh, there's more than that.
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior.
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I did not get that from the passage
- 20/09/2010 05:19:45 PM
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Hmm.
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Re: Hmm.
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country.
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Yes
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Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Re: Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian".
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Who knows?
Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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Don't think we've seen much discussion of religion in the wizarding world. *NM*
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On their broomsticks, obviously
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*NM*
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In that part of the world I understand they use flying carpets, actually.
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*NM*
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Wasn't there a mention of someone trying to smuggle flying carpets into England?
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Anything else? *NM*
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Thestrals & Hufflepuff
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Wednesday 22 September: chapters 13-15 ~ School gets interesting.
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Character development: how are our three main characters getting along?
- 22/09/2010 12:43:53 PM
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Dumbledore, Umbridge, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Harry, Percy ad McGonnagall.
- 22/09/2010 12:49:12 PM
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Some interesting developments, I thought.
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Re: Some interesting developments, I thought. Edited
- 22/09/2010 02:35:20 PM
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Dumbledore, this really bugs me
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Plot progression, and continuing themes.
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Action and reaction
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Re: Action and reaction
- 22/09/2010 02:15:16 PM
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Any other comments?
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Friday 24 September: chapters 16-18 ~ Dumbledore's Army
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Le plot.
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Reaction -- the forming of the DA
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Anything else?
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Monday 27 September: chapters 19-21 ~ Quidditch, Hagrid and thestrals.
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Les Characters
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry
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Plot - are we happy with what's happening?
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Definitely some things of note!
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Re: Definitely some things of note!
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Any other thoughts?
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Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants
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Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24
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Characters and characterisation *NM*
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High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Re: High emotions.
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Plotting and plot continuity *NM*
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Re: Plotting and plot continuity
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Other things of note. *NM*
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Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's.
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Hermione is apparently smarter than J.K. Rowling. Or maybe just Harry. Hard to tell.
- 30/09/2010 03:47:22 AM
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The fact that she has Hermione use the right term points to a subtle distinction.
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Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late.
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The characters: development, actions, etc. *NM*
- 02/10/2010 11:25:09 AM
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Fudge, Hermione, Neville, Cho, Harry, Umbridge, the teachers, Snape, Dumbledore
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Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM*
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Beginning of the end
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Other things. *NM*
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The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency.
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The least important of your points...
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Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers.
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Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp
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The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
- 04/10/2010 07:40:26 PM
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Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall.
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- 05/10/2010 11:09:16 PM
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- 05/10/2010 11:27:30 PM
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Plotting and themes.
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family and bigotry
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Anything else?
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portaits
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Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks.
- 13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM
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Characters - so many to deal with.
- 06/10/2010 08:13:36 PM
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Ron, Neville, Harry, Hermione, McGonagall, Professor Tofty, Snape, Umbridge and the second trio.
- 06/10/2010 08:34:55 PM
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Plot! Theme and Action!
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The trap is set
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Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell.
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Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children.
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Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin
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Action. And more action.
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I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Re: I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Re: I'm wondering what would have happened...
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Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
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Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn)
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Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence?
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How are our characters left?
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Phineas, Dumbledore, Voldemort, Fudge, McGonagall, Harry, Ron and Moody
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Any other thoughts?
- 11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM
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General comments.
- 13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM
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Suggestions for the re-read.
- 13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM
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Your links don't work
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Fixed. *NM*
- 14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM
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And fixed the links in the other ones, too - don't bother searching for new posts, there aren't any. *NM*
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Do we need to have another break?
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But now I want to keep reading them. </whine>
- 29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM
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Will probably just have a little break - i.e. wait till the following Monday to start.
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