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Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. Camilla Send a noteboard - 05/10/2010 11:27:30 PM

Cho: I feel it is saying something that when Cho and Harry argue, I am on Harry's side. She really is quite astonishingly dim and irrational at times. I am glad Harry switches her in for a more sensible girl.

I disagree. As I've said before - and you agreed at the time - Cho seems like a cool girl who gets the short end of the stick from Rowling because of that awkward fling with Harry. All of her reactions make ample sense from her PoV, though - it's just the circumstances are so difficult that it was never really going to work.


You are probably right. I find I am easily seduced by Rowling's writing of characters. Cho, like Harry, has reasons for her actions, but they get on my nerves none the less.

Snape: Harry interprets him as the weak victim of strong bullies in the memory. I think that is a mistake. And not just because of the ``Harry is always wrong'' rule. First of all, we are given this out of context. It is one memory, which does not provide us with the story of earlier encounters. I feel fairly certain that there is a varied pattern there. I don't think they are picking on him because he is weak; quite the contrary, I think they are doing what the twins did to Dudley in an earlier book (although as I see it in a less problematic way): they are picking on him for being part of a group which picks on the weak -- for being associated with the dark arts. The particular comments may not be related to that, but they are the superstructure, not the motivation.

I think you're still biased by your fan-fic. :P Bullying is bullying, whatever excuses they offer for them. And as Harry notes, they start to bully him because they feel bored, not for any other reason. Of course Lupin and Sirius are right that it doesn't mean they are bad people, and it certainly doesn't mean Snape is an innocent victim, but it is what it is, and it isn't pretty, alright.


On this point I am fairly certain I am not biased from the Shoebox Project. I have held this position almost since the first time I read the book, and the Shoebox Project did not come my way till much, much later.

They are bored when they attack him, but it does not follow that they attack him because they are bored. That is Harry's interpretation only. It is based in James' comment that ``This'll liven you up, Padfoot'', but again, it does not follow that they turn on Snape for diversion, out of boredom. As I read the situation, this is a continuation of a series of attacks and counter-attacks.

The fact that Snape attacks James when his back is turned backs this up and serves as direct provocation for the more humiliating retaliation. Sirius' impedimenta spell merely held him down; Snape draws blood (to be fair, he is probably also spurred on by the proximity of Lily). His reaction to Lily's help (calling her a mudblood) is also somewhat explained by his embarrassment at this point, but it still speaks volumes about what he considers acceptable.

I'm not really happy with that part of the scene, in the light of the later revelations. Snape's calling her a mudblood strains credulity as it is, but it's Lily's reaction that is the most baffling. Is she really that much of a sphinx that she doesn't show the slightest sign of feeling hurt other than blinking, and merely insults him right back - borrowing James' insult, too?


I don't think Snape's insult is unrealistic. He is hanging around with future Death Eaters. It is bound to be part of the group vocabulary. He is embarrassed, upset, and he draws on that for retaliation. Love, certainly teenage love, does not mean glowing open adoration. It is a complex affair. That is actually one of the things I like about this scene: I think Rowling is fairly realistic in this.

Lily's reaction also makes sense to me. Blinking, when remarked on, is a narrative convention which suggests surprise or being taken aback by something. Like Snape, being hurt, she borrows someone else's words.

James: He is a little full of himself, and clearly approaching Lily in entirely the wrong way, but I don't think his comment to Lily that his motivation for mistreating Snape is merely ``because he exists'' is something to be taken at face value. I stick to my reading as I explained it above. James is arrogant, but he is not bad.

What is "bad"? Most bullies aren't "bad" in the sense you seem to mean it, and bully more out of boredom or to impress their friends than out of any real malice or cruelty. James is as "bad" as, say, Draco Malfoy. Fortunately, they both grow up.


In my world there is a marked difference between picking on someone because they are weak or powerless in some way (what Draco tends to do), and picking on someone because you object to their actions (like the twins do).

His comment that he wishes it were the full moon is more problematic, in a way, considering how horrible that is for Lupin. But it serves to establish him even more as someone who lives for daring adventures and danger. Possibly because everything is too easy -- he is not the least worried about his exams.

Yeah. That attitude must've made his time in Azkaban all the harsher in contrast.


True.

Lily: She is cool. I like both her standing up for Snape and her ultimate rejection of him.

As I said above, I find her reaction strange. I suppose we never really see enough of her to know her character, know whether she is indeed capable of perfectly concealing the hurt feelings she must have. Or perhaps it's just plot convenience here - if she had displayed a more logical reaction in the light of the later revelations, those revelations wouldn't have been as surprising.


See, I disagree. It works perfectly for me here. The first time I read it, I read her intervention simply as fair-mindedness, and then her reaction to Snape's retaliation as hurt that her help was rejected in such a rude way. Knowing what is revealed in book 7, I feel this scene opens up much more. Her objection to James and Sirius does not reflect as badly on them, and her being taken aback by Snape's words seem understated but all the more powerful. Like Lupin's reactions to Harry's mentioning his father during the Patronus lessons in book 3.

Harry: I like how he takes Snape's side in the memory. Especially as I don't. It is a side to his character that … I suppose it is what makes him the hero -- especially in Rowling's universe. It is interesting that he thinks that it would be acceptable to do it to Malfoy.

I think it has a lot to do with how the Marauders are still seeing everything as a lark and have had little reason to take things seriously, whereas Snape, like Harry, is more mature that way, forced by the circumstances. Most children do indeed do stupid things at fifteen that they are later ashamed of; Harry has been forced to be more mature, and has a hard time understanding such immaturity.


True.

I am a little annoyed that he does not think of the mirror when he is so desperate to talk to Sirius. Yes, I know I said it was part of a beautifully structured plot, but on the level of character it is a little unsatisfying.

He doesn't know about the mirror. The only thing he knows is Sirius' vague description of it, but he's immediately decided not to use it and so quite naturally doesn't remember it when thinking of ways to contact Sirius.


I know. I have been arguing that side with others in this thread. I agree. Despite this position, however, it nags at me a little.

His whole expedition really is problematic. As Hermione points out, Dumbledore's sacrifice would be in vain if he got caught. And he shows that he is aware that it would reflect very badly on McGonagall. Not to mention that this is not vital stuff. The only possible upshot will be to ease his mind. It is on par with running around risking his life in book 3 (before we knew Sirius was a good guy).

Agreed. I don't remember now whether his getting caught the next time has to do with having left traces this time, but it might be, so that makes it even worse.


I don't remember either.
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Plot: things you've noticed. *NM* - 20/09/2010 08:04:13 AM 1193 Views
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I remembered now: Barty Crouch Junior. - 20/09/2010 05:08:16 PM 2145 Views
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Oh yes: Assyria is a wizarding country. - 22/09/2010 09:42:27 AM 2193 Views
Er, that should've gone under anything else. Oh well. *NM* - 22/09/2010 09:46:30 AM 1313 Views
Yes - 22/09/2010 09:50:47 AM 2132 Views
Because that's the only modern meaning of "Assyrian". - 22/09/2010 09:58:03 AM 2292 Views
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True - 22/09/2010 12:00:12 PM 2202 Views
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Not really a distance thing, but... - 23/09/2010 02:58:55 PM 2125 Views
The title of chapter 13. - 27/09/2010 03:58:04 PM 2282 Views
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Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry - 27/09/2010 03:26:13 PM 2199 Views
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Re: Ron, Umbridge, McGonagall, Hagrid, Cho, Hermione, Harry - 27/09/2010 05:08:10 PM 2062 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned - 29/09/2010 03:54:42 AM 2173 Views
Re: Various characters you mentioned - 29/09/2010 09:41:16 AM 2231 Views
Plot - are we happy with what's happening? - 27/09/2010 07:58:33 AM 2151 Views
Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 02:43:41 PM 2123 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 03:36:39 PM 2200 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 04:03:17 PM 2135 Views
Re: Definitely some things of note! - 27/09/2010 04:07:20 PM 1978 Views
Mirroring - 27/09/2010 03:27:51 PM 2132 Views
Re: Mirroring - this is good. - 30/09/2010 02:43:21 PM 2193 Views
Any other thoughts? - 27/09/2010 07:59:14 AM 2031 Views
Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants - 27/09/2010 03:28:10 PM 2016 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants - 27/09/2010 05:08:42 PM 2008 Views
Re: Bigotry, the Sorting Hat and Giants - 27/09/2010 05:21:20 PM 2094 Views
Re: Gnomes - 29/09/2010 04:00:20 AM 2005 Views
Re: Gnomes - 29/09/2010 09:43:54 AM 2145 Views
Re: Gnomes - 30/09/2010 03:27:37 AM 2183 Views
Wednesday 29 September: chapters 22-24 - 13/09/2010 09:29:12 PM 2227 Views
Characters and characterisation *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:43:38 PM 1180 Views
High emotions. - 29/09/2010 05:11:07 PM 2172 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 08:21:46 PM 2124 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 09:51:14 PM 2186 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 10:06:43 PM 2109 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 2078 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 11:31:04 PM 2094 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 11:35:52 PM 2129 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 09:18:42 PM 1929 Views
Re: High emotions. - 29/09/2010 10:05:32 PM 2139 Views
Re: High emotions. - 30/09/2010 04:04:31 AM 2118 Views
Themes and progression of themes. *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:44:11 PM 1130 Views
A bit of a respite on that score - 29/09/2010 05:18:46 PM 2128 Views
Plotting and plot continuity *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:44:32 PM 1174 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 29/09/2010 05:11:43 PM 2359 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 29/09/2010 09:17:02 PM 2207 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 29/09/2010 09:58:03 PM 2244 Views
Re: Plotting and plot continuity - 30/09/2010 02:36:25 PM 2237 Views
Other things of note. *NM* - 29/09/2010 04:44:51 PM 1196 Views
A Question - 29/09/2010 05:12:06 PM 2153 Views
Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. - 29/09/2010 09:19:53 PM 2161 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. - 29/09/2010 10:35:51 PM 1988 Views
Re: Rowling is having fun once more, this time with St. Mungo's. - 30/09/2010 03:42:21 AM 2155 Views
The Lockheart encounter is great too. - 30/09/2010 05:21:17 AM 2144 Views
Re: The Lockheart encounter is great too. - 30/09/2010 02:50:18 PM 2192 Views
Friday 1 October: chapters 25-27 - Sorry I'm late. - 13/09/2010 09:29:58 PM 2078 Views
Plot/action: getting exciting? *NM* - 02/10/2010 11:25:48 AM 1208 Views
Beginning of the end - 02/10/2010 07:55:36 PM 2259 Views
Re: Beginning of the end - 05/10/2010 10:45:32 PM 2149 Views
Re: Beginning of the end - 05/10/2010 10:52:28 PM 2214 Views
Re: Beginning of the end - 06/10/2010 01:33:57 AM 2127 Views
Other things. *NM* - 02/10/2010 11:26:06 AM 1120 Views
The way reactions are given, and an observation about occlumency. - 02/10/2010 07:55:48 PM 2237 Views
The least important of your points... - 04/10/2010 08:18:04 PM 2340 Views
Re: The least important of your points... - 04/10/2010 08:20:15 PM 2119 Views
Re: The least important of your points... - 05/10/2010 07:41:32 PM 2262 Views
Monday 4 October: chapters 28-30 - bad memories, dramatic exits, and large brothers. - 13/09/2010 09:32:03 PM 2161 Views
Characters: James, Sirius, Lily, Snape, Umbridge, Fred, George, Hagrid, Grawp - 04/10/2010 06:31:44 PM 2236 Views
The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 04/10/2010 07:40:26 PM 2143 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 05/10/2010 11:09:16 PM 2170 Views
Re: The twins, the teachers, Cho, Snape, James Sirius, Wormtail, Lupin, Lily, Harry and McGonagall. - 05/10/2010 11:27:30 PM 2069 Views
Plotting and themes. - 04/10/2010 06:32:16 PM 2152 Views
family and bigotry - 04/10/2010 07:41:22 PM 2186 Views
Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. - 05/10/2010 02:07:06 AM 2164 Views
Re: Weasley Mayhem. And stuff. - 05/10/2010 09:06:04 AM 2058 Views
Re: family and bigotry - 05/10/2010 11:27:55 PM 2175 Views
Re: family and bigotry - 05/10/2010 11:37:11 PM 2104 Views
Anything else? - 04/10/2010 06:32:43 PM 2183 Views
portaits - 04/10/2010 07:41:49 PM 1978 Views
I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. - 05/10/2010 11:19:03 PM 2228 Views
Re: I'm wondering if Dumbledore is camping out in his office. - 05/10/2010 11:28:37 PM 2245 Views
That would be awesome. - 06/10/2010 02:28:33 AM 2151 Views
Wednesday 6 October: chapters 31-33 - OWLs, fights and other such hijinks. - 13/09/2010 09:32:40 PM 2174 Views
Plot! Theme and Action! - 06/10/2010 08:14:21 PM 2108 Views
The trap is set - 06/10/2010 08:36:03 PM 2122 Views
Re: The trap is set - 06/10/2010 09:37:17 PM 2103 Views
Re: The trap is set - 06/10/2010 09:50:15 PM 2198 Views
Anything else you want to waffle about. - 06/10/2010 08:14:50 PM 2157 Views
exams - 06/10/2010 08:36:35 PM 2115 Views
Friday 8 October: chapters 34-36 - The big fight and the big farewell. - 13/09/2010 09:33:45 PM 2281 Views
Characters: Death Eaters, Order of the Phoenix, and the children. - 08/10/2010 11:19:58 AM 2229 Views
Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 08/10/2010 07:52:01 PM 2139 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 09/10/2010 01:00:00 AM 2346 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 09/10/2010 10:23:24 AM 2031 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 10/10/2010 03:40:46 AM 2010 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 10/10/2010 10:54:31 AM 2221 Views
Re: Hermione, Harry, Neville, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin - 12/10/2010 02:46:40 AM 2273 Views
First big appearance for Bellatrix. - 09/10/2010 01:11:54 AM 2244 Views
Re: First big appearance for Bellatrix. - 09/10/2010 10:13:26 AM 2202 Views
Action. And more action. - 08/10/2010 11:20:49 AM 2161 Views
The tragedy - 08/10/2010 07:51:29 PM 2253 Views
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Re: The tragedy - 09/10/2010 12:49:31 AM 2218 Views
I'm wondering what would have happened... - 09/10/2010 01:14:58 AM 1947 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... - 09/10/2010 10:16:25 AM 2085 Views
Re: I'm wondering what would have happened... - 10/10/2010 03:22:18 AM 2315 Views
Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) - 11/10/2010 12:51:06 AM 2162 Views
Re: Book 7 spoilers ( I know they are implied, but I'd feel bad if I didn't warn) - 12/10/2010 02:48:53 AM 2104 Views
Other things. - 08/10/2010 11:21:12 AM 2100 Views
Re: Other things. - 08/10/2010 07:52:45 PM 2157 Views
Well. - 10/10/2010 03:26:01 AM 2130 Views
Monday 11 October: chapters 37-38 ~ The end of innocence? - 13/09/2010 09:35:14 PM 2246 Views
How are our characters left? - 11/10/2010 05:25:39 PM 2180 Views
Plot and theme: - 11/10/2010 05:26:37 PM 2122 Views
Prophecy, choice, house elves and knowledge. - 11/10/2010 11:50:46 PM 2311 Views
Any other thoughts? - 11/10/2010 05:27:17 PM 2007 Views
One minor and one major disappointment. - 11/10/2010 11:51:08 PM 2324 Views
Re: One minor and one major disappointment. - 12/10/2010 02:53:28 AM 2336 Views
General comments. - 13/09/2010 09:36:13 PM 2200 Views
The first time I read this book I didn't like it much. - 14/09/2010 04:23:43 AM 2174 Views
It was one of my favourite books from the get-go. - 14/09/2010 09:08:03 AM 2293 Views
The structure of this book is different from the earlier ones - 15/09/2010 09:55:26 AM 2332 Views
What do we think of Rowling's writing skills in this book? - 22/09/2010 12:54:14 PM 2152 Views
Much improved - 22/09/2010 03:08:51 PM 2104 Views
How do you feel about the book as a whole? - 11/10/2010 05:28:23 PM 2077 Views
Re: How do you feel about the book as a whole? - 12/10/2010 03:00:01 AM 2297 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 13/09/2010 09:36:56 PM 2133 Views
Your links don't work - 14/09/2010 10:37:32 AM 2070 Views
Fixed. *NM* - 14/09/2010 10:46:08 AM 1279 Views
I just copied old ones. - 14/09/2010 06:32:50 PM 2172 Views
Do we need to have another break? - 27/09/2010 08:00:04 AM 2207 Views
Before the next book, you mean? - 27/09/2010 01:05:14 PM 2068 Views
But now I want to keep reading them. </whine> - 29/09/2010 04:02:57 AM 2062 Views
We'll start Book 6 on Monday 18 October. - 11/10/2010 05:29:21 PM 2246 Views

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